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UnwindedDreams 01-25-2024 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1291688)
They never offered the job to just Lindsey! As pointed out countless times, anything they’ve said since 1997 has been a embellished. And, AGAIN, here’s what the two guys who actually had the phone call said about it:





So, two accounts from the two men who actually had the conversation told over twenty years apart and they’re identical. Furthermore, you’ll notice that the next phone call was to Mickey Shapiro to draw up contractual paperwork, not the McVies, so the whole idiotic “Christine had to like Stevie” storyline was crap, too.

We, specifically you and me, have had this discussion several times already, so you know the FACTS, and most of us old timers have mentioned numerous times that they started romanticizing and embellishing their story starting with The Dance, so I don’t get why you keep referencing something you know isn’t accurate by someone known to not be a reliable source of information?
Ok, roger that.

I shared what Stevie said. I don't believe her on the Lindsey said he wouldn't join without me since she is what you said "not a reliable source of information." But I do believe her when she said that Lindsey absolutely got her towards Fleetwood Mac, and I don't mean "you've got to take my girlfriend too." I meant Mick heard Lindsey's work on Frozen Love which led to Mick asking Keith Olsen about Lindsey (not Stevie), then Keith brought up Stevie and then the offer for them both to join happened.

Or is there a fact where Mick heard Frozen Love and said I want the lady who sang on that album and the guitar player on the album first and it wasn't that he said he wanted the guitar player first?

Also, I think you believe Lindsey was fired for his comment about The Classic Festivals and that he wanted to start a FM tour later and play solo dates in between FM concerts. Stevie said after 2018 that she wasn't willing to work with him anymore. What do you think the worst thing Lindsey has said to Stevie in recent years was? "You have no singing voice"?

SteveMacD 01-25-2024 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1291697)
But I do believe her when she said that Lindsey absolutely got her towards Fleetwood Mac,
Nobody’s ever disputed that Mick called Kieth to have him ask Lindsey to join the band. Bob quit and the band had just gotten an advance. However, Mick didn’t know anything about Lindsey beyond he was a good guitarist. Once the equation was explained, Mick was on board.

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Or is there a fact where Mick heard Frozen Love and said I want the lady who sang on that album and the guitar player on the album first and it wasn't that he said he wanted the guitar player first?
Not really a fair comment, since Mick’s only context for what he was listening to was that it had been recorded in the studio he was scouting. He briefly met Lindsey, so being able to put a face with the guitarist also helped, but that’s all Mick knew.

Fleetwood Mac was founded by Peter Green, it was Mick’s idea to add Danny Kirwan, the band had had a revolving door of guitarists, and his brother-in-law was Eric Clapton. Mick’s natural inclination would have been to focus on the guitar player, especially since it was clear Bob Welch was burning out.

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What do you think the worst thing Lindsey has said to Stevie in recent years was?
Probably “I have no interest in doing a Buckingham Nicks reunion.” And, I think he stopped schmoozing her once Christine came back, assuming (as most of us did) that Stevie would be excited about making a Fleetwood Mac album with the full lineup. I think there was mutual bitterness surrounding LBCM. I also think they had very different visions for the 2018 tour.

BigAl84 01-25-2024 10:23 PM
Oh…I never thought of that. Let’s say history was different and rehearsals for the 2018 tour start with Lindsey….Stevie walks in wanting to do Free Falling. I’m sure that would have gone over like a lead balloon with Lindsey.

Stevie’s take on the Buckingham Nicks reunion was sorta odd. She was all about reforming the original Buckingham Nicks band and recording a bunch of lost tracks to tack onto the album as bonus tracks, but he couldn’t get her to participate in 3 songs for a Fleetwood Mac album and tour. Really weird rationale.

SteveMacD 01-25-2024 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1291701)
Oh…I never thought of that. Let’s say history was different and rehearsals for the 2018 tour start with Lindsey….Stevie walks in wanting to do Free Falling. I’m sure that would have gone over like a lead balloon with Lindsey.
Yeah. He strikes me as more of a “Walls” type.

mylittledemon 01-26-2024 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1291658)
I realize that I probably sound like Chevy Chase in that scene from Christmas Vacation....thanks for humoring my rants. I've got my Tylenol.
HalleLUJAH! Holy $hiiit! :lol:

UnwindedDreams 01-26-2024 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1291700)
Nobody’s ever disputed that Mick called Kieth to have him ask Lindsey to join the band. Bob quit and the band had just gotten an advance. However, Mick didn’t know anything about Lindsey beyond he was a good guitarist. Once the equation was explained, Mick was on board.


Not really a fair comment, since Mick’s only context for what he was listening to was that it had been recorded in the studio he was scouting. He briefly met Lindsey, so being able to put a face with the guitarist also helped, but that’s all Mick knew.

Fleetwood Mac was founded by Peter Green, it was Mick’s idea to add Danny Kirwan, the band had had a revolving door of guitarists, and his brother-in-law was Eric Clapton. Mick’s natural inclination would have been to focus on the guitar player, especially since it was clear Bob Welch was burning out.


Probably “I have no interest in doing a Buckingham Nicks reunion.” And, I think he stopped schmoozing her once Christine came back, assuming (as most of us did) that Stevie would be excited about making a Fleetwood Mac album with the full lineup. I think there was mutual bitterness surrounding LBCM. I also think they had very different visions for the 2018 tour.
If Fleetwood Mac didn’t have a singer in 1974, Mick would have recalled the Buckingham Nicks album and said I want that lady from the album and not the guy.

Re: the 2018 setlist…do you think Lindsey wanted to do the same setlist as OWTS or to do new songs like they did on Live 2013 and then release an EP or album later?

HomerMcvie 01-26-2024 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1291739)
If Fleetwood Mac didn’t have a singer in 1974, Mick would have recalled the Buckingham Nicks album and said I want that lady from the album and not the guy.

Re: the 2018 setlist…do you think Lindsey wanted to do the same setlist as OWTS or to do new songs like they did on Live 2013 and then release an EP or album later?
It was amazing that they did 8 new songs on the BuckVie tour. I think we know who was to blame for the stale set lists. Old Goatsy.

BigAl84 01-26-2024 01:16 PM
Honestly, I don't think Lindsey ever had a chance to discuss anything pertaining to setlists for the 2018 tour. I'm pretty sure I have my facts straight here, but after the disagreement about the timing of the tour he (Lindsey) did sign the agreement to do the tour - which is why he has able to sue. He caved and agreed to the tour which wasn't what Goatsy wanted. Had he been in rehearsals, then sure setlist conversations would have occurred.

It's fascinating that of all the narratives to come out of the 2018 showdown, this whole notion that Lindsey held the lock and key for all Fleetwood Mac tour set lists still continues to pop up. I mean, how many times has Stevie mentioned in pre-tour press interviews that they have to play the hits? Lindsey made comments about not wanting to open with The Chain AGAIN for the 2009 tour.

BigAl84 01-26-2024 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1291739)
If Fleetwood Mac didn’t have a singer in 1974, Mick would have recalled the Buckingham Nicks album and said I want that lady from the album and not the guy.
Isn't that sorta a giant assumption? After Bob left, they were down to Christine on vocals. As others have stated (I think) Mick always said he overheard Lindsey guitar part blasting through the speakers in the studio control room. It's possible he didn't hear any of Stevie's vocals at that exact point in time, at that very moment.

Villavic 01-26-2024 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1291746)
Isn't that sorta a giant assumption? After Bob left, they were down to Christine on vocals. As others have stated (I think) Mick always said he overheard Lindsey guitar part blasting through the speakers in the studio control room. It's possible he didn't hear any of Stevie's vocals at that exact point in time, at that very moment.
Mick wrote in his book he did hear Stevie, too. The way he tells it sounds like a dramatic license to me. However long ago a ledgie mentioned the song Stevie was rehearsing at that moment. It is not mentioned in the book so it could be another source of this same episode.

I thought the guitar sounded great, but my attention had been caught by what I saw through the thick glass that separated Sound City's two recording studios. It was a girl, rehearsing a vocal in the next studio. A piano track was playing, and I could faintly hear her say something to the engineer about maybe wanting to have bird sounds somewhere in the mix of the song she was working on. I even remember what she was wearing a long, sort of Indian cotton skirt and a little blouse, real pretty. In fact, I thought she was one of the loveliest and most attractive girls I'd ever seen, but I somehow managed to remain nonchalant as I blithely asked Keith Olsen,
"Who's that pretty girl in there?"

Her name, he said, was Stevie Nicks.

But yes in these forums are lot of threads based on assumptions, speculations, or theories of 70s facts based in members behaviors of 2018 onwards. I'm not surprised some day Stevie will be blamed for the global warming or Lindsey for the 2020 pandemic.

HomerMcvie 01-26-2024 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Villavic (Post 1291750)
But yes in these forums are lot of threads based on assumptions, speculations, or theories of 70s facts based in members behaviors of 2018 onwards. I'm not surprised some day Stevie will be blamed for the global warming or Lindsey for the 2020 pandemic.
Oh, it's coming. I'm not even sure how much I trust THEIR OWN recollections of things. 50 years ago is a long time, especially when you were in a haze at the time. Not to mention that Old Goatsy(I'm so happy that Goatsy is catching on:p ) is completely delusional.

soul_drifter333 01-26-2024 03:15 PM
Yes, that was my impression as well. I think the others had already signed on so they were stuck touring or lose a lot of money by being in breach of the contract. However, they could have delayed the tour to work out the issues, but they obviously decided not to. In the end, they delayed the tour so that they new guys could rehearse, so the whole thing was silly, especially for grown adults. And I don't think his firing (such an ugly word :lol:) had much, if anything, to do with the events of the award ceremony. Something else was going on behind the scenes. The other ridiculously stupid thing is the band, management, and high powered lawyers didn't bother to check that the 5 of them were equal participants in the partnership that was created after 75 and probably renewed in 97.

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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1291745)
Honestly, I don't think Lindsey ever had a chance to discuss anything pertaining to setlists for the 2018 tour. I'm pretty sure I have my facts straight here, but after the disagreement about the timing of the tour he (Lindsey) did sign the agreement to do the tour - which is why he has able to sue. He caved and agreed to the tour which wasn't what Goatsy wanted. Had he been in rehearsals, then sure setlist conversations would have occurred.

It's fascinating that of all the narratives to come out of the 2018 showdown, this whole notion that Lindsey held the lock and key for all Fleetwood Mac tour set lists still continues to pop up. I mean, how many times has Stevie mentioned in pre-tour press interviews that they have to play the hits? Lindsey made comments about not wanting to open with The Chain AGAIN for the 2009 tour.

UnwindedDreams 01-26-2024 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Villavic (Post 1291750)
Mick wrote in his book he did hear Stevie, too. The way he tells it sounds like a dramatic license to me. However long ago a ledgie mentioned the song Stevie was rehearsing at that moment. It is not mentioned in the book so it could be another source of this same episode.

I thought the guitar sounded great, but my attention had been caught by what I saw through the thick glass that separated Sound City's two recording studios. It was a girl, rehearsing a vocal in the next studio. A piano track was playing, and I could faintly hear her say something to the engineer about maybe wanting to have bird sounds somewhere in the mix of the song she was working on. I even remember what she was wearing a long, sort of Indian cotton skirt and a little blouse, real pretty. In fact, I thought she was one of the loveliest and most attractive girls I'd ever seen, but I somehow managed to remain nonchalant as I blithely asked Keith Olsen,
"Who's that pretty girl in there?"

Her name, he said, was Stevie Nicks.

But yes in these forums are lot of threads based on assumptions, speculations, or theories of 70s facts based in members behaviors of 2018 onwards. I'm not surprised some day Stevie will be blamed for the global warming or Lindsey for the 2020 pandemic.
Yes, Mick heard Stevie. He really asked Keith about Lindsey so he could get Stevie because he thought her singing was above and beyond the guitar sound on Frozen Love!

SteveMacD 01-26-2024 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1291739)
If Fleetwood Mac didn’t have a singer in 1974, Mick would have recalled the Buckingham Nicks album and said I want that lady from the album and not the guy.
Again, that assumes Mick understood the context of what he was listening to. Keith said Mick wanted “that guitarist from that band you played me.” It wasn’t an “and not” thing. That’s a massive overstatement. Mick was only there to audition the studio and dug the guitar playing. With Welch appearing to be on his way out, maybe the guitars hit a little harder than they would have, otherwise.

That said, if Fleetwood Mac had had a significant history of having a vocalist up to that point and the vibe was their vocalist was about to quit, I have no doubt he would have been more focused on the vocalist, even if only subconsciously.

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Re: the 2018 setlist…do you think Lindsey wanted to do the same setlist as OWTS or to do new songs like they did on Live 2013 and then release an EP or album later?
Lindsey was pretty vocal about wanting to make a new album, even after LBCM. I don’t think he liked the idea of going beyond the 1975-87, 97 works.

SteveMacD 01-26-2024 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1291745)
Honestly, I don't think Lindsey ever had a chance to discuss anything pertaining to setlists for the 2018 tour.
Mick did that interview in Rolling Stone in 2017 where he said that he and Stevie had that listening party and that Stevie wanted to do songs that had been forgotten. He said something about he felt that Lindsey and Stevie should do something from Buckingham Nicks and that Christine should do a blues song, so it was easy to read between the lines that he was talking the non-Rumours band material.

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but after the disagreement about the timing of the tour he (Lindsey) did sign the agreement to do the tour - which is why he has able to sue.
He never signed off on it. He even said as much in one of the interviews. However, in California, all that’s needed is a verbal agreement, which is how he was able to sue.

BigAl84 01-26-2024 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Villavic (Post 1291750)
Mick wrote in his book he did hear Stevie, too. The way he tells it sounds like a dramatic license to me. However long ago a ledgie mentioned the song Stevie was rehearsing at that moment. It is not mentioned in the book so it could be another source of this same episode.

I thought the guitar sounded great, but my attention had been caught by what I saw through the thick glass that separated Sound City's two recording studios. It was a girl, rehearsing a vocal in the next studio. A piano track was playing, and I could faintly hear her say something to the engineer about maybe wanting to have bird sounds somewhere in the mix of the song she was working on. I even remember what she was wearing a long, sort of Indian cotton skirt and a little blouse, real pretty. In fact, I thought she was one of the loveliest and most attractive girls I'd ever seen, but I somehow managed to remain nonchalant as I blithely asked Keith Olsen,
"Who's that pretty girl in there?"

Her name, he said, was Stevie Nicks.

But yes in these forums are lot of threads based on assumptions, speculations, or theories of 70s facts based in members behaviors of 2018 onwards. I'm not surprised some day Stevie will be blamed for the global warming or Lindsey for the 2020 pandemic.
Thanks for sharing - it’s been several years since I’ve revisited any of the books so my memory probably forgot some stuff.

UnwindedDreams 01-27-2024 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1291745)
Honestly, I don't think Lindsey ever had a chance to discuss anything pertaining to setlists for the 2018 tour. I'm pretty sure I have my facts straight here, but after the disagreement about the timing of the tour he (Lindsey) did sign the agreement to do the tour - which is why he has able to sue. He caved and agreed to the tour which wasn't what Goatsy wanted. Had he been in rehearsals, then sure setlist conversations would have occurred.

It's fascinating that of all the narratives to come out of the 2018 showdown, this whole notion that Lindsey held the lock and key for all Fleetwood Mac tour set lists still continues to pop up. I mean, how many times has Stevie mentioned in pre-tour press interviews that they have to play the hits? Lindsey made comments about not wanting to open with The Chain AGAIN for the 2009 tour.
Had Lindsey folded to StevieÂ’s demand to do pre-White Album stuff and no new material AND he just didnÂ’t even speak at MusiCares exactly 6 years ago, I think this would have been the set.

1. DonÂ’t Stop
2. The Chain
3. Dreams
4. I DonÂ’t Want To Know
5. IsnÂ’t It Midnight
6. Black Magic Woman (Stevie on vocal, Neale Heywood on lead but still in the background)
7. Second Hand News
8. Tell Me All The Things You Do (with Stevie instead of her backstage as she was in 2018)
9. Angel (Tusk song)
10. Hold Me (already done on LBCM Tour)
11. Rhiannon
12. Say You Love Me
13. Big Love
14. Landslide
15. Hypnotized
16. Little Lies
17. Station Man (with Stevie)
18. Over My Head (Mick on cocktail)
19. Straight Back (Mick on cocktail)
20. You Make Loving Fun
21. Stop Messin (Lindsey on vocal)
22. World Turning
Encore
23. Tusk
24. Crystal

jmn3 01-27-2024 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1291768)
Had Lindsey folded to StevieÂ’s demand to do pre-White Album stuff and no new material AND he just didnÂ’t even speak at MusiCares exactly 6 years ago, I think this would have been the set.

1. DonÂ’t Stop
2. The Chain
3. Dreams
4. I DonÂ’t Want To Know
5. IsnÂ’t It Midnight
6. Black Magic Woman (Stevie on vocal, Neale Heywood on lead but still in the background)
7. Second Hand News
8. Tell Me All The Things You Do (with Stevie instead of her backstage as she was in 2018)
9. Angel (Tusk song)
10. Hold Me (already done on LBCM Tour)
11. Rhiannon
12. Say You Love Me
13. Big Love
14. Landslide
15. Hypnotized
16. Little Lies
17. Station Man (with Stevie)
18. Over My Head (Mick on cocktail)
19. Straight Back (Mick on cocktail)
20. You Make Loving Fun
21. Stop Messin (Lindsey on vocal)
22. World Turning
Encore
23. Tusk
24. Crystal
There is zero chance of this setlist ever happening with Lindsey. I think he would agree to do Oh Well and he might even be on board with playing on Stevie doing the BMW cover and Chris doing something from her pre-75 catalog. But there’s no way Lindsey was singing Hypnotized, Tell Me…, and Stop Messin’ Around and not doing Go Your Own Way. Also, Stevie seems to not even acknowledge the existence of I Don’t Want to Know.

I think Lindsey would have 100% been on board with broadening the setlist for a 2018 tour, he just would push for the 75-87, 97+ stuff that they did together. Look no further than the BuckVie tour where they did unearthed Wish You Were Here for its live debut 35 years after it was released and never played the most obvious LB/CM song: Don’t Stop (and World Turning for that matter).

You could make a great set with some key warhorses and rarities like Brown Eyes, Angel, Walk a Thin Line, That’s Alright, Book of Love, Wish You Were Here, Tango in the Night, Isn’t it Midnight, and hell, I hate this song, but I think a retooled, modernized, and less whassamattahbabayy version of When I See You Again would work.

Putting the stale setlist on Lindsey is laughable.

WalkAThinLine. 01-27-2024 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jmn3 (Post 1291772)
There is zero chance of this setlist ever happening with Lindsey. I think he would agree to do Oh Well and he might even be on board with playing on Stevie doing the BMW cover and Chris doing something from her pre-75 catalog. But there’s no way Lindsey was singing Hypnotized, Tell Me…, and Stop Messin’ Around and not doing Go Your Own Way. Also, Stevie seems to not even acknowledge the existence of I Don’t Want to Know.

I think Lindsey would have 100% been on board with broadening the setlist for a 2018 tour, he just would push for the 75-87, 97+ stuff that they did together. Look no further than the BuckVie tour where they did unearthed Wish You Were Here for its live debut 35 years after it was released and never played the most obvious LB/CM song: Don’t Stop (and World Turning for that matter).

You could make a great set with some key warhorses and rarities like Brown Eyes, Angel, Walk a Thin Line, That’s Alright, Book of Love, Wish You Were Here, Tango in the Night, Isn’t it Midnight, and hell, I hate this song, but I think a retooled, modernized, and less whassamattahbabayy version of When I See You Again would work.

Putting the stale setlist on Lindsey is laughable.
Buckingham has demonstrated a willingness to unearth some deep cuts on his most recent solo tours, but some of the least inspired setlists have happened under his watch: the Unleashed Tour only had "I Know I'm Not Wrong" and "Storms" and the On With the Show Tour only had "Sisters of the Moon", "Seven Wonders", and "I Know I'm Not Wrong" (the latter of which was swapped with "Bleed to Love Her", an admittedly decent selection). Buckingham certainly has influence in picking the setlist, particularly his own material, and there are multiple songs of his that appear on nearly every setlist: Big Love, I'm So Afraid, Never Going Back Again, Tusk, and Go Your Own Way. Add "The Chain" and "World Turning", both of which Buckingham prominently sings on, that leaves very little room for any deep cuts within a Fleetwood Mac setlist.

jmn3 01-27-2024 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by WalkAThinLine. (Post 1291773)
Buckingham has demonstrated a willingness to unearth some deep cuts on his most recent solo tours, but some of the least inspired setlists have happened under his watch: the Unleashed Tour only had "I Know I'm Not Wrong" and "Storms" and the On With the Show Tour only had "Sisters of the Moon", "Seven Wonders", and "I Know I'm Not Wrong" (the latter of which was swapped with "Bleed to Love Her", an admittedly decent selection). Buckingham certainly has influence in picking the setlist, particularly his own material, and there are multiple songs of his that appear on nearly every setlist: Big Love, I'm So Afraid, Never Going Back Again, Tusk, and Go Your Own Way. Add "The Chain" and "World Turning", both of which Buckingham prominently sings on, that leaves very little room for any deep cuts within a Fleetwood Mac setlist.
My point (which admittedly wasn’t so obvious) about blaming Lindsey being laughable is more that they’re all boring and conservative with setlists.

SteveMacD 01-27-2024 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jmn3 (Post 1291772)
I think Lindsey would have 100% been on board with broadening the setlist for a 2018 tour, he just would push for the 75-87, 97+ stuff that they did together.
And that’s the problem. The main point of the 2018 tour, at least initially, was supporting the 50th Anniversary compilation. That’s what the tour was supposed to be about.

I get Lindsey doesn’t like playing the older material beyond “Oh Well,” but this was supposed to be a career-spanning retrospective tour.

Granted, anything interesting was gone by the end of the tour, at least some stuff got dusted off.

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Look no further than the BuckVie tour where they did unearthed Wish You Were Here for its live debut 35 years after it was released and never played the most obvious LB/CM song: Don’t Stop (and World Turning for that matter).

Putting the stale setlist on Lindsey is laughable.
Okay, but Stevie also dusted off a lot of rarities (like “Crying In The Night”).

I’d never blame any single person for the stale setlists. There were very strong competing visions for the band. Stevie wanted to go vault, Lindsey wanted new. Neither especially wanted to do the stale setlists, but it was probably the easiest way for the band to get out on the road.

However, if Lindsey is going to pound his chest about being the band’s musical director and be firmly committed to using prerecords, then the buck stops with him and he should be prepared for the inevitable criticisms.

UnwindedDreams 01-28-2024 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by jmn3 (Post 1291772)
There is zero chance of this setlist ever happening with Lindsey. I think he would agree to do Oh Well and he might even be on board with playing on Stevie doing the BMW cover and Chris doing something from her pre-75 catalog. But there’s no way Lindsey was singing Hypnotized, Tell Me…, and Stop Messin’ Around and not doing Go Your Own Way. Also, Stevie seems to not even acknowledge the existence of I Don’t Want to Know.

I think Lindsey would have 100% been on board with broadening the setlist for a 2018 tour, he just would push for the 75-87, 97+ stuff that they did together. Look no further than the BuckVie tour where they did unearthed Wish You Were Here for its live debut 35 years after it was released and never played the most obvious LB/CM song: Don’t Stop (and World Turning for that matter).

You could make a great set with some key warhorses and rarities like Brown Eyes, Angel, Walk a Thin Line, That’s Alright, Book of Love, Wish You Were Here, Tango in the Night, Isn’t it Midnight, and hell, I hate this song, but I think a retooled, modernized, and less whassamattahbabayy version of When I See You Again would work.

Putting the stale setlist on Lindsey is laughable.
My setlist was if Lindsey basically got on a leash for Stevie. I think Stevie’s the one who wants to sing Go Your Own Way…I get the feeling Lindsey doesn’t desire to play that song. And the setlist I put together would have been better than the one I saw in 2018, though I want no pre White Album songs. Stevie doing Storms was like Lindsey putting I Know I’m Not Wrong in the On With the Show Tour. Could you not have done Angel in 2018 Stevie and could you not have done That’s Enough For Me in 2014 Lindsey?

jmn3 01-28-2024 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1291782)
My setlist was if Lindsey basically got on a leash for Stevie. I think Stevie’s the one who wants to sing Go Your Own Way…I get the feeling Lindsey doesn’t desire to play that song. And the setlist I put together would have been better than the one I saw in 2018, though I want no pre White Album songs. Stevie doing Storms was like Lindsey putting I Know I’m Not Wrong in the On With the Show Tour. Could you not have done Angel in 2018 Stevie and could you not have done That’s Enough For Me in 2014 Lindsey?
I got your premise but have to disagree on GYOW. Go Your Own Way is THE song in his catalog. His most well known/popular/loved - whatever you want to call it. There’s a reason basically every solo show he’s ever played as well as just about every Fleetwood Mac concert (even if he isn’t there) ends the main set with it.

BigAl84 01-29-2024 10:11 AM
Based on how the reboot of Sisters Of The Moon went, I'm glad Angel never got dusted off. It would have been a disappointment, IMO.

soul_drifter333 01-29-2024 10:17 AM
Yes, Angel took a little while to grow on me, but I love it now. I especially like the live version on disc 3 of the Live deluxe edition and the alternate take on the Tusk deluxe gets me every time. I wouldn't want to hear a current version.


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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1291820)
Based on how the reboot of Sisters Of The Moon went, I'm glad Angel never got dusted off. It would have been a disappointment, IMO.

UnwindedDreams 01-29-2024 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1291820)
Based on how the reboot of Sisters Of The Moon went, I'm glad Angel never got dusted off. It would have been a disappointment, IMO.
The only reason it wasn’t dusted off was because Seven Wonders was on American Horror Story and she wanted to revive it. I was happy to hear that live again. I wish Angel would have been done instead of Sisters another year but Stevie loved doing that song with her ad-libbing.

BigAl84 01-29-2024 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1291776)
And that’s the problem. The main point of the 2018 tour, at least initially, was supporting the 50th Anniversary compilation. That’s what the tour was supposed to be about.

I get Lindsey doesn’t like playing the older material beyond “Oh Well,” but this was supposed to be a career-spanning retrospective tour.

Granted, anything interesting was gone by the end of the tour, at least some stuff got dusted off.



Okay, but Stevie also dusted off a lot of rarities (like “Crying In The Night”).

I’d never blame any single person for the stale setlists. There were very strong competing visions for the band. Stevie wanted to go vault, Lindsey wanted new. Neither especially wanted to do the stale setlists, but it was probably the easiest way for the band to get out on the road.

However, if Lindsey is going to pound his chest about being the band’s musical director and be firmly committed to using prerecords, then the buck stops with him and he should be prepared for the inevitable criticisms.
Music Cares happened in late January 2018. The Don't Stop 50 Years Box Set was announced 8 months later in September of 2018, with a release date of November 2018.

I've said this before, but I still think the entire box set project was dreamed up to serve a few purposes:

1. Make up for (expected) decreased touring revenue - They knew this tour was going to be a harder sell without Lindsey. Initial ticket sales turned out to be slow in a lot of markets.

2. Compensate for what they gave Lindsey - help get back the money they awarded Lindsey in the lawsuit.

3. Deliver a product that supports/demonstrates the "many lineups of Fleetwood Mac" in an effort to downplay Lindsey's departure.

I really don't believe for one minute this box set would have existed had Lindsey been part of the tour. This wasn't some sincere homage to Fleetwood Mac, they just used the history of Fleetwood Mac to try and make themselves look less terrible. It's a pretty blatant marketing ploy, IMO. It ultimately proved relatively unsuccessful with the focus of pre-75 material largely scrubbed from the tour only a few months into it.

SteveMacD 01-29-2024 03:00 PM
Boxed sets like that aren’t just thrown together. They take months, if not years to plan out, especially with a band with numerous stake holders.

UnwindedDreams 01-29-2024 03:10 PM
I found it weird that they didn’t sell it at merch stands at the shows that I went to on the 2019 legs. Stevie sold Crystal Visions on her 2007 Tour.

soul_drifter333 01-29-2024 03:17 PM
I didn't even buy the 50th anniversary collection so I probably shouldn't comment, but I guess I will anyway. :laugh: I wouldn't even call this a box set. It's just another greatest hits collection, hastily thrown together. I bet the band didn't even have much or anything to do with it. My impression was that Rhino used the same masters that they already had, and threw some songs together. I don't think it even had a booklet with it, and the cover was pure crap. I guess Sad Angell made it's cd debut, but almost everything has been rehashed over and over - rinse and repeat. Cash grab it isn't finest.

BigAl84 01-29-2024 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1291838)
Boxed sets like that aren’t just thrown together. They take months, if not years to plan out, especially with a band with numerous stake holders.
Actually, Lindsey is on record for saying that even the Rumours deluxe box set from 2011/2012 was largely put together by the label and had very minimal involvement from the band. Stevie later admitted that she hadn't heard much of it either. Christine admitted that she hadn't heard the Mirage Box set in recent years.

BigAl84 01-29-2024 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by soul_drifter333 (Post 1291841)
I didn't even buy the 50th anniversary collection so I probably shouldn't comment, but I guess I will anyway. :laugh: I wouldn't even call this a box set. It's just another greatest hits collection, hastily thrown together. I bet the band didn't even have much or anything to do with it. My impression was that Rhino used the same masters that they already had, and threw some songs together. I don't think it even had a booklet with it, and the cover was pure crap. I guess Sad Angell made it's cd debut, but almost everything has been rehashed over and over - rinse and repeat. Cash grab it isn't finest.
Bingo. Exactly. These things do not take months or years and are relatively easy for labels to throw together if they own the rights to the material. If they can keep the cost of packaging/manufacturing down, they're an easy money maker.

soul_drifter333 01-29-2024 04:50 PM
I think that the deluxe editions took longer because someone had to research the tapes and find content. I also think one of the reasons for the deluxe editions was to preserve the tapes by baking and digitizing them, and I think they were hoping to recoup the cost of that process by releasing them commercially. It's a shame they're now out of print, but I guess they were only suppose to have a limited appeal. As for the 50th collection all that should have already been done. A CD booklet would have been nice for the 50th, but how many times can the same story be told?

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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1291843)
Bingo. Exactly. These things do not take months or years and are relatively easy for labels to throw together if they own the rights to the material. If they can keep the cost of packaging/manufacturing down, they're an easy money maker.

SteveMacD 01-29-2024 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1291843)
Bingo. Exactly. These things do not take months or years and are relatively easy for labels to throw together if they own the rights to the material. If they can keep the cost of packaging/manufacturing down, they're an easy money maker.
For most bands, yes.

Fleetwood Mac is a different story. I don’t know if WBR owns the rights to the Blue Horizon material and I think Cliff has to sign off on anything from pre-1974. Plus, with all of the publishing/catalog sales, it could be a difficult and lengthy process.

elle 01-30-2024 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sleepless child (Post 1291533)
Lindsey just did an interview on Sirus XM. Conan O'Brian podcast. I guess he is a big fan and listens all the time. I heard a snippet on Twitter that someone posted about his leaving the band. Nothing specific but he is still open to forgiving Stevie. Chump. And he is most upset about the Legacy of the band being hurt by the firing.
It's nice to have a fresh interview, even if a lot of it is typical LB responses. His pick of the songs and rationale why was interesting and something new and different. He said he's working on the new album this year, and invited Conan to stop over and jam with him when he feels like it. I enjoyed Conan's questions and banter. Lindsey telling him how he couldn't listen recently cos he had to drive a rental without Sirius in it.


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