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bwboy 02-01-2024 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1291949)
There are so many clunkers on this album. The opening track makes me want to shut it off. Unllike Tusk, I have a very hard time getting thru it. It's just sloppy with too many un crystaline visions.

Ah, I see. That sounds almost exactly how I used to feel about Tusk, though. I thought there were too many slow songs and loud songs- Never Forget, Over and Over, Never Make Me Cry, Storms, and Beautiful Child seemed so slow, almost plodding to me, while the Ledge, Walk a Thin Line, and Not That Funny were so loud. Now, I love most of Tusk, but back then it was a no. I’m thinking maybe just like Tusk may have been ahead of it’s time, SYW was, too.

jbrownsjr 02-01-2024 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bwboy (Post 1291956)
Ah, I see. That sounds almost exactly how I used to feel about Tusk, though. I thought there were too many slow songs and loud songs- Never Forget, Over and Over, Never Make Me Cry, Storms, and Beautiful Child seemed so slow, almost plodding to me, while the Ledge, Walk a Thin Line, and Not That Funny were so loud. Now, I love most of Tusk, but back then it was a no. I’m thinking maybe just like Tusk may have been ahead of it’s time, SYW was, too.

Comparing SYW to Tusk will get you banned. :laugh:

HomerMcvie 02-01-2024 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1291961)
Comparing SYW to Tusk will get you banned. :laugh:

Hell compared to heaven. SYW sucks.

FuzzyPlum 02-01-2024 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1291963)
Hell compared to heaven. SYW sucks.

:thumbsup:
Yep…..Seconded

DownOnRodeo 02-01-2024 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bwboy (Post 1291956)
Ah, I see. That sounds almost exactly how I used to feel about Tusk, though. I thought there were too many slow songs and loud songs- Never Forget, Over and Over, Never Make Me Cry, Storms, and Beautiful Child seemed so slow, almost plodding to me, while the Ledge, Walk a Thin Line, and Not That Funny were so loud. Now, I love most of Tusk, but back then it was a no. I’m thinking maybe just like Tusk may have been ahead of it’s time, SYW was, too.

Continuing on my minor/major key theme, the Tusk track list can be unsettling and fatiguing as well in that nearly every song is essentially in the major key, even the angry or melancholic ones (of which there is no shortage). It's not until track 10 that we get our first real minor key song (Sisters of the Moon), and after that there are only two more.

Mirage is also almost entirely devoid of minor key tracks, but because the songs are more benign in content there is no unsettling juxtaposition like in Tusk. It does however take the edge off the album. Straight Back is its only minor key track.

The two Lindsey era albums with the most even balance of major and minor tracks are -- you guessed it, the ones that sold best: Rumours and Tango. And of these, the Rumours track listing has nearly every minor key song on the B side, easing the listener in then taking them on a journey into darkness. Tango reverses this by starting off dark and ending with more major key tunes, perhaps hinting at the passage of night into dawn.


What information do we have about how the Rumours track ordering was decided (ie who decided it)?

WalkAThinLine. 02-01-2024 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1291941)
I do like it a lot better than I used to. I wish it was more compact and an actual album, rather than random songs, etc.

Say You Will works better in small doses. I usually listen to only a few songs at a time, and that has increased my appreciation for the album as a whole.

jmn3 02-02-2024 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DownOnRodeo (Post 1291968)
What information do we have about how the Rumours track ordering was decided (ie who decided it)?

Hasn’t Stevie always taken the credit for sequencing Rumours?

bwboy 02-02-2024 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DownOnRodeo (Post 1291968)
The two Lindsey era albums with the most even balance of major and minor tracks are -- you guessed it, the ones that sold best: Rumours and Tango. And of these, the Rumours track listing has nearly every minor key song on the B side, easing the listener in then taking them on a journey into darkness.

What information do we have about how the Rumours track ordering was decided (ie who decided it)?

Thanks for the insight, very interesting. I thought I had read somewhere that Lindsey did the sequencing for Rumours. However, didn’t the CD Rumours track order differ from the vinyl? So that makes things even more interesting.

Villavic 02-02-2024 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DownOnRodeo (Post 1291968)
Continuing on my minor/major key theme, the Tusk track list can be unsettling and fatiguing as well in that nearly every song is essentially in the major key, even the angry or melancholic ones (of which there is no shortage).

I think it's first time I read this qualification in Tusk. What songs do you consider are angry?

HomerMcvie 02-02-2024 10:44 AM

I think you could say that WMYTYTOne and The Ledge are angry, and maybe I Know I'm Not Wrong.

bwboy 02-02-2024 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Villavic (Post 1291986)
I think it's first time I read this qualification in Tusk. What songs do you consider are angry?

Answering for myself, certainly What Makes You Think You’re the One, the Ledge, Walk a Thin Line, Sisters of the Moon, and Not That Funny seem angry; That’s All For Everyone, Over and Over, Save Me a Place, That’s All For Everyone, Beautiful Child, and Brown Eyes seem melancholy to me.

Curious what others think.

jbrownsjr 02-02-2024 12:17 PM

Brown Eyes feels seductive to me.

Macfan4life 02-02-2024 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1291995)
Brown Eyes feels seductive to me.

You're looking at me with that brown eye
what do you want to do?

jbrownsjr 02-02-2024 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1291997)
You're looking at me with that brown eye
what do you want to do?

ewwwww :laugh:

soul_drifter333 02-02-2024 01:20 PM

You just had to go there. Now I can't unsee or unhear it. :eek:

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1291998)
ewwwww :laugh:



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