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sleepless child 04-26-2024 11:43 AM

Sheryl working with Stevie on new song
 
https://twitter.com/Nickslive/status..._0pGBli-A&s=19

mitzo 04-26-2024 04:27 PM

One song. OK.

UnwindedDreams 04-26-2024 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1293944)
One song. OK.

mitzo, it’s an album! Remember Sheryl was a producer on TISL.

Jondalar 04-26-2024 10:53 PM

Sheryl seems thrilled.... not

HomerMcvie 04-27-2024 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1293947)
Sheryl seems thrilled.... not

THE WORLD knows there ain't no art emitting from this pile... for 41 years now... laurels city.

Macfan4life 04-27-2024 04:59 AM

She should do something different. She should cover Hell's Bells by AC DC.
Waddy loves that song too.

Jondalar 04-27-2024 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1293949)
THE WORLD knows there ain't no art emitting from this pile... for 41 years now... laurels city.

Can you imagine weeding through Stevie's gibberish and trying to turn it into a song? The song probably contains thousands of words of pure nonsense.

mitzo 04-27-2024 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1293945)
mitzo, it’s an album! Remember Sheryl was a producer on TISL.

Not an album, I bet. And I disliked Sheryl's production of Stevie on TISL.

bombaysaffires 04-27-2024 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepless child (Post 1293934)

I love how Sheryl says that "Stevie only works at night" and therefore she shows up at like 7pm and then of course stays up all night, doesn't get up the next day til 2pm. But she, Sheryl, "I get up at 6am with my kids" which forces her to juggle her life and working with Stevie's schedule.... because OF COURSE Stevie won't change HER schedule, not even considering someone has children or a family or whatever else in THEIR lives that makes it hard for them to just flip their work hours around to match hers. Doesn't matter... she's a LEGEND dammit, and everyone must bend to her wishes. Reminds me of her (and her posse) showing up at Harry Styles' and listening to his new album and then not only telling him all the ways she'd have done things differently but then staying all freaking night while he, exhausted, kept trying to figure how to get her the hell out so he could go to bed.

UnwindedDreams 04-27-2024 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1293954)
I love how Sheryl says that "Stevie only works at night" and therefore she shows up at like 7pm and then of course stays up all night, doesn't get up the next day til 2pm. But she, Sheryl, "I get up at 6am with my kids" which forces her to juggle her life and working with Stevie's schedule.... because OF COURSE Stevie won't change HER schedule, not even considering someone has children or a family or whatever else in THEIR lives that makes it hard for them to just flip their work hours around to match hers. Doesn't matter... she's a LEGEND dammit, and everyone must bend to her wishes. Reminds me of her (and her posse) showing up at Harry Styles' and listening to his new album and then not only telling him all the ways she'd have done things differently but then staying all freaking night while he, exhausted, kept trying to figure how to get her the hell out so he could go to bed.

In a 2017 interview, Stevie said Lindsey has us(FM) rehearse at 2:00pm so we can finish for him to go home to have dinner with his family and I’m like are you kidding? I can sleep until 4pm.
But when you’re the star of the band, the law is you get fired if you don’t do what the star asks.

UnwindedDreams 04-27-2024 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1293953)
Not an album, I bet. And I disliked Sheryl's production of Stevie on TISL.

It will be an album. Stevie learned with Show Them The Way that singles or dropping a one-off new song doesn’t work. She’ll go the way she likes to do it with tv appearances and a tour.

blinker12 04-27-2024 11:31 AM

Haven’t we heard over the past few years that she is working on stuff with Greg Kurstin and Dave Stewart? The Kurstin talk was a few years ago and may have just been the cover of FWIW, but Stewart was back in December:

https://www.fleetwoodmacnews.com/202...potential.html

I wonder if she IS cobbling an album together with multiple producers, a la TISL.

UnwindedDreams 04-27-2024 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blinker12 (Post 1293958)
Haven’t we heard over the past few years that she is working on stuff with Greg Kurstin and Dave Stewart? The Kurstin talk was a few years ago and may have just been the cover of FWIW, but Stewart was back in December:

https://www.fleetwoodmacnews.com/202...potential.html

I wonder if she IS cobbling an album together with multiple producers, a la TISL.

Kurstin co-wrote and produced Show Them The Way; Stewart played guitar on it. In 2022, she said she had recorded her best song that she's written and also that she had recorded songs with Greg Kurstin and she gave the titles. And then in December 2023 that interview with Stewart came out.
Could be she is doing what she did with TISL. Kind of weird she wouldn't have had an album out before the tour she's been on since May 2022 that's now going to be a world tour!

BLY 04-27-2024 01:31 PM

I would love another studio album from Stevie. Julia needs to be included along with a couple other songs from her “vault”. I think Sheryl Crow did a fine job on TISL. It was a definite comeback album for her in many ways. If she is going to do another “Rock” album NOW is the time to release it.

Jondalar 04-27-2024 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1293956)
It will be an album. Stevie learned with Show Them The Way that singles or dropping a one-off new song doesn’t work. She’ll go the way she likes to do it with tv appearances and a tour.

She is not going to get big sales no matter what, so what does it matter? She can't be doing this for sales. That part of her life is over.

bombaysaffires 04-27-2024 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1293966)
She is not going to get big sales no matter what, so what does it matter? She can't be doing this for sales. That part of her life is over.

I don't understand her premise.....:eek:

Villavic 04-28-2024 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1293949)
THE WORLD knows there ain't no art emitting from this pile... for 41 years now... laurels city.

I seriously doubt the world knows that.

Jondalar 04-28-2024 01:15 AM

So I'm thinking that Sheryl Crow is working on putting the poem Stevie wrote on Taylor Swift's album to music. It all fits. She'll use it to tie herself to Taylor even more.

HomerMcvie 04-28-2024 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1293971)
So I'm thinking that Sheryl Crow is working on putting the poem Stevie wrote on Taylor Swift's album to music. It all fits. She'll use it to tie herself to Taylor even more.

She'll attach her rusty trailer hitch to Taylor's bumper with duct tape, if that's her only shot at eeking out 20 more seconds of stardom.

UnwindedDreams 04-28-2024 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1293971)
So I'm thinking that Sheryl Crow is working on putting the poem Stevie wrote on Taylor Swift's album to music. It all fits. She'll use it to tie herself to Taylor even more.

She could be doing that. That poem was written in September 2023 according to the way it appears in Taylor's album.

Sheryl said the song that she's working on now was written by Stevie a few years ago. It's interesting that she's talking about the work she's doing with Stevie publicly.

Jondalar 04-28-2024 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1293972)
She'll attach her rusty trailer hitch to Taylor's bumper with duct tape, if that's her only shot at eeking out 20 more seconds of stardom.

It's embarrassing - it really is.

WatchChain 04-28-2024 09:55 PM

Perhaps we will finally see a proper studio recording of "Julia" or "Space Needle".

secret love 04-29-2024 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1293966)
She is not going to get big sales no matter what, so what does it matter? She can't be doing this for sales. That part of her life is over.

In Your Dreams album sold over 300,000 copies. Yes, how pathetic.

LOL!

Do you know how many bands would kill to sell 300,000 copies of their albums?

secret love 04-29-2024 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Villavic (Post 1293970)
I seriously doubt the world knows that.

If the world knew it, she wouldn't still sell out arenas or be recording at all, even singles

Jondalar 04-29-2024 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1293985)
In Your Dreams album sold over 300,000 copies. Yes, how pathetic.

LOL!

Do you know how many bands would kill to sell 300,000 copies of their albums?

It's not gold. Not too good for a supposed legend and that was years ago. She hasn't had a gold album since TISL and that wqs over 20 years ago.

UnwindedDreams 04-29-2024 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1293985)
In Your Dreams album sold over 300,000 copies. Do you know how many bands would kill to sell 300,000 copies of their albums?

I know. Did it sell that many? I remember in 2012, she expressed her sadness that it sold 100,000 copies for a "star like moi".

I still want to know how many downloads of Show Them The Way there were. She did a lot of print interviews for its release and CBS New Sunday Morning. People said it was in the top 10 of iTunes download on the day of release but what does that mean? 100,000 downloads?

BigAl84 04-29-2024 12:34 PM

I hope it's not an album because it sounds like it will be an album with multiple different producers working on different tracks - an approach that she still insists doing, yet always proves problematic for her.

BigAl84 04-29-2024 12:37 PM

Its hilarious how much she REALLY wants mega commercial success, but unwilling to let go of her ego enough let a producer like Jack Antonoff take her table scraps and completely reinvent them into something. She's got this small circle of people she keeps coming back to because they know how to tiptoe around her. I wonder if she's using any of Mike Campbell's tracks that she was too busy to even send a "Thanks" in return.

UnwindedDreams 04-29-2024 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1293996)
Its hilarious how much she REALLY wants mega commercial success, but unwilling to let go of her ego enough let a producer like Jack Antonoff take her table scraps and completely reinvent them into something. She's got this small circle of people she keeps coming back to because they know how to tiptoe around her. I wonder if she's using any of Mike Campbell's tracks that she was too busy to even send a "Thanks" in return.

The other big producer is Andrew Watt. I believe he produced the classic Stolen Car duet with Elton but of course that was Elton’s song which she featured on. The kid is good. Macca, Ozzy, Elton, Lenny Kravitz, and Eddie Vedder love him.

BigAl84 04-29-2024 12:52 PM

Oh, it's no doubt that he's a great producer. It's just that his mileage will vary greatly when it comes to Stevie and her demos.

Straightback 04-30-2024 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1293996)
Its hilarious how much she REALLY wants mega commercial success, but unwilling to let go of her ego enough let a producer like Jack Antonoff take her table scraps and completely reinvent them into something. She's got this small circle of people she keeps coming back to because they know how to tiptoe around her. I wonder if she's using any of Mike Campbell's tracks that she was too busy to even send a "Thanks" in return.

Agreed. Brings me back to "Twisted" which has always been a peculiarity to me. I thought Lindsey did a great job with the song for the "Twister" soundtrack. It was like BuckinghamNicks.2. Then we heard she hated what he did to the song which always flummoxed me, especially when we were given not, one but two reworked versions approved by her, which (in my humble opinion) sucked buffalo chips. I'm largely intrigued and confused by what she envisions her work to become. "Gypsy" is another one. Listening to the early demos, its a nice enough rocker, but had Lindsey not molded it into the classic it became it would have easily fallen into the "nice-but-easily-forgotten" basket. I often wonder what other classics of her's with Lindsey's fingerprints on them she secretly begrudges but holds her tongue because they form the foundation of her legendary songwriting status.

HomerMcvie 04-30-2024 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Straightback (Post 1294014)
Agreed. Brings me back to "Twisted" which has always been a peculiarity to me. I thought Lindsey did a great job with the song for the "Twister" soundtrack. It was like BuckinghamNicks.2. Then we heard she hated what he did to the song which always flummoxed me, especially when we were given not, one but two reworked versions approved by her, which (in my humble opinion) sucked buffalo chips. I'm largely intrigued and confused by what she envisions her work to become. "Gypsy" is another one. Listening to the early demos, its a nice enough rocker, but had Lindsey not molded it into the classic it became it would have easily fallen into the "nice-but-easily-forgotten" basket. I often wonder what other classics of her's with Lindsey's fingerprints on them she secretly begrudges but holds her tongue because they form the foundation of her legendary songwriting status.

LEGENDARY song writing status?..... that's ALL Lindsey. She scribbles some gibberish, and is LEGENDARY?:laugh:

secret love 04-30-2024 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1293987)
It's not gold. Not too good for a supposed legend and that was years ago. She hasn't had a gold album since TISL and that wqs over 20 years ago.

As an independent musician, I would give my left testicle to sell 300,000 copies of my latest album. Just sayin'!

secret love 04-30-2024 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1293988)
I know. Did it sell that many? I remember in 2012, she expressed her sadness that it sold 100,000 copies for a "star like moi".

I still want to know how many downloads of Show Them The Way there were. She did a lot of print interviews for its release and CBS New Sunday Morning. People said it was in the top 10 of iTunes download on the day of release but what does that mean? 100,000 downloads?

I think it was a 2013 interview (it's on YouTube probably), Stevie said "it (IYD album) probably sold like what, 300,000 copies, not that many copies, but I personally sold every one" (I'm paraphrasing)

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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1293998)
Oh, it's no doubt that he's a great producer. It's just that his mileage will vary greatly when it comes to Stevie and her demos.

Stevie's great weakness is and always has been since she started writing songs, that she cannot write good music - yes, she writes iconic lyrics like Rhiannon, Landslide, Silver Springs, etc - but her piano playing and guitar playing is... a bit s-h-i-t. I'm sorry to her fans (of which I am one), but the woman cannot play to save her life. She can accompany herself as a solo performer but not in the way Lindsey did with his One Man Show, etc, no - Stevie will never come close to that.

As such she relies too heavily on other musicians and electronic producers like Dave Stewart. If she had just focused on playing her instrument better back when she was still playing guitar and piano and not just using them as a writing tool for songwriting (this was only a brief period in her very early career)... maybe she could put out new songs now without paying Dave Stewart, Greg Kurstin and Sheryl Crow the megabucks.

Just my 2 cents.

Jondalar 04-30-2024 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1294017)
I think it was a 2013 interview (it's on YouTube probably), Stevie said "it (IYD album) probably sold like what, 300,000 copies, not that many copies, but I personally sold every one" (I'm paraphrasing)



Stevie's great weakness is and always has been since she started writing songs, that she cannot write good music - yes, she writes iconic lyrics like Rhiannon, Landslide, Silver Springs, etc - but her piano playing and guitar playing is... a bit s-h-i-t. I'm sorry to her fans (of which I am one), but the woman cannot play to save her life. She can accompany herself as a solo performer but not in the way Lindsey did with his One Man Show, etc, no - Stevie will never come close to that.

As such she relies too heavily on other musicians and electronic producers like Dave Stewart. If she had just focused on playing her instrument better back when she was still playing guitar and piano and not just using them as a writing tool for songwriting (this was only a brief period in her very early career)... maybe she could put out new songs now without paying Dave Stewart, Greg Kurstin and Sheryl Crow the megabucks.

Just my 2 cents.

I liked the raw production of 24 karat gold, but after hearing For What's Worth, I think Greg Kurstin is her best producer. The production was perfetion and her voice sounds great on that track. She hadn't sounded better since 1987. As far as Sheryl Crow is concerned, I liked her production, but John Shanks production was better. The production on the title track TISL is perfection. However, I really liked Crow's middle-eastern experimentation on some of tracks but those versions never saw the light of day. I think if TISL had that middle-eastern flair it would of made the album a lot more interesting.

Jondalar 04-30-2024 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1294015)
LEGENDARY song writing status?..... that's ALL Lindsey. She scribbles some gibberish, and is LEGENDARY?:laugh:

I agree. In the beginning she tried a lot harder and she did write some really good songs, but now it's jut per gibberish - pig latin on steroids.

BigAl84 04-30-2024 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Straightback (Post 1294014)
Agreed. Brings me back to "Twisted" which has always been a peculiarity to me. I thought Lindsey did a great job with the song for the "Twister" soundtrack. It was like BuckinghamNicks.2. Then we heard she hated what he did to the song which always flummoxed me, especially when we were given not, one but two reworked versions approved by her, which (in my humble opinion) sucked buffalo chips. I'm largely intrigued and confused by what she envisions her work to become. "Gypsy" is another one. Listening to the early demos, its a nice enough rocker, but had Lindsey not molded it into the classic it became it would have easily fallen into the "nice-but-easily-forgotten" basket. I often wonder what other classics of her's with Lindsey's fingerprints on them she secretly begrudges but holds her tongue because they form the foundation of her legendary songwriting status.

She's convinced herself more and more in the past 10-15 years that her demos are absolutely amazing and that anybody producing her should stick as closely to the demo as possible. The decision to redo Twisted for 24k Gold was probably made with the same mindset. She actually removed the most interesting parts of the song and made it one overly repetitive, lengthy mess. The same goes for "My Heart"

Did she have negative criticism about Twisted shortly after it was released on the soundtrack?

UnwindedDreams 04-30-2024 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1294027)
Did she have negative criticism about Twisted shortly after it was released on the soundtrack?

I don't recall. She switched up the beginning of the song in her 1996 songs but the demo sounds nothing like the 96 live version and the 2014 version sounds nothing like the 96 live version. In her 1996 concerts, she also sang that great line "I know, you know..."

It'd be great if Stevie had an album of brand new songs and not demos!

BombaySapphire3 05-01-2024 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1294066)

It'd be great if Stevie had an album of brand new songs and not demos!

What she should do is have all of her younger musical artist fans write her one song each for a new album like Taylor,Harry , Brandi,the Haim sisters,GAGA ETC. it would have to be more interesting than whatever unlistenable gobbletegook she could come up with at this point.

Villavic 05-01-2024 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1294027)

Did she have negative criticism about Twisted shortly after it was released on the soundtrack?

I recall she commented that the song was not appreciated in the movie, actually it was difficult to hear it during the scene.
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