Time
This album and line up is one of the most perplexed combinations. I know some fans really liked this, while most others seemed to loathe it. I like the album with the artists that recorded it....but I have a hard time accepting it as an FM album.
The reason for the post and my theory in regards to it "not" being a FM album opposed to BTM being one, is: (If you own a copy) Check out the liner notes and the additional players listed. After each CM song, Michael Thompson – guitars on tracks 2, 5, 8, 10 & 12 is listed. And on some of the others tracks 3, 4 & 9, Steve Thoma – keyboards is listed. Chris wasn't even present when they did the photo shoot, she is only pictured with Mick and John, not at all in a full group shot. I think I read somewhere that Chris didn't care for the idea of Dave Mason joining/recording with the band. Whether there is any truth to that, I have no idea, but I am very curious as to why and the circumstances surrounding why Chris was not present for the other band members' recordings. It's almost as if CM recorded her vocals/keys and guitar and sent in the recordings to the band. Which, I believe isn't far from the truth. Now the same could be said about SN during TITN recording, and I would also have to agree with that. Any thoughts or knowledge about the recording of Time? Not many on here like to discuss, listen, or even acknowledge that Time existed. But, I actually like the album. I'd like some expert opinions from ChiliD, SteveMac, or any one else that would like to chime in. Thx. |
Time, as it was released, was pretty much a "compromise" album. WB had rejected the original album that was submitted with the title Another Link In The Chain due to Christine's complete absence from the album. It was all Bekka, Billy & Dave's compositions. Christine's songs were hurredly recorded & assembled in order to comply with WB's demands that (supposedly) she was contractually obligated to appear on Fleetwood Mac albums. I'm sure that the lingering mutual dislike between Christine & Dave Mason DID have something to do with his not appearing on her songs, but it also might be that he wasn't available to do those sessions due to other obligations. Plus, since Bekka, Billy & Dave's material that was included was already completed, so there was really no need to go back and re-record those tunes with Christine...that would've been a waste of time & money.
There were promotional photos released with both Christine & Dave together with Mick, John, Bekka & Billy. So, they co-existed for at least as long as the photo session took. I think those might even have been taken after the artwork for the CD booklet was already completed. I think whoever tracked the songs did a horrid job, basically magnifying the disjointed feel of the album. Thanks to the capability of reprogramming the running order of a CD (and now with iTunes playlists), a more flowing tracking CAN be obtained. Once again, here's what I came up with: I DO TALKIN' TO MY HEART I WONDER WHY WINDS OF CHANGE SOONER OR LATER DREAMING THE DREAM NIGHTS IN ESTORIL NOTHING WITHOUT YOU I GOT IT IN FOR YOU HOLLYWOOD (SOME OTHER KIND OF TOWN) BLOW BY BLOW THESE STRANGE TIMES ALL OVER AGAIN |
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Talkin’ To My Heart: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, and Christine Hollywood: Mick, John, Christine, Thompson Blow By Blow: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, and Thoma Winds Of Change: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, and Christine I Do: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, Christine, and Thompson (note Tompson is listed as "additional guitar") Nothing Without You: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, Christine, and Lindsey Dreamin’ The Dream: Bekka, Billy, and Christine (maybe Dave?) Sooner Or Later: Mick, John, Christine, Thompson, Tackett I Wonder Why: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, Christine, and Thoma Nights In Estoril: Mick, John, Christine, Thompson I Got It In For You: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, and Christine All Over Again: Mick, John, Christine, Thompson These Strange Times: Mick, John, Bekka, Lucy, Jones So, I think all of the Bekka and Billy stuff is just the actual members of the band. Quote:
Also, THIS http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...eMacD/FM94.jpg |
Thx for the hard work and research you two put into these posts...very interesting. And of course it clears up some of the confussion.
Thx for the great pic's posted by SteveMacD, Chris and Bekka look gorgeous and Chris (although smiling) leaning forward in an apprehensive way confirms (possibly) Chris' discomfort with this line-up. As you proved me wrong Steve, I was only speculating Chris was absent b/c I have never seen these photos, I was not posting it as a FACT. thx again for posting:thumbsup: |
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Time isn't a bad album.
Stevie and Lindsey were gone and Christine was just there to provide five songs to the album. Billy didn't really get much attention during his Mac tenure, getting lost in the mix (if you will) essentially making him a "new" member along with Bekka and Dave. Of course Mick and John were there so yes it was still Fleetwood Mac, but they aren't singer/songwriters and the faces of the band like Christine, Stevie, and Lindsey and as Peter and Bob Welch were during their tenures. :cool: |
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I don't disagree that Billy wasn't exactly the face of the band at that point, but neither was Bob Welch in 1973, except for the handful of fans that were giving it a chance, regardless of who was in it. |
Time is a much better album, IMO, than Mask. Bekka and Billy sound especially good. I don't see the logic in including Dave Mason. But otherwise, the songs and performances are strong.
My only other complaint is the cheesy sounding keyboard tones. Christine's approach is fine, as is her playing. But the sound of the electric keyboard is tinny and cheap. I like the running order of the songs. So long as Mason's contributions are removed. |
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If it had continued, I think Christine and Dave would have been gone by the next record. With the whole alt.country thing from the mid to late '90s, it could have been interesting. |
I'm enjoying the Time love replies.
To me, this album is a pretty straight forward rock and blues album...with a little country thrown in. I agree with the poster that said Dave's contributions wasn't needed, but since Billy had quit, I can now see why he was needed. Right after SN and CM annouced they were now longer touring the band...I envisioned a 4 piece with just the guys carrying on. Some of the pics in the BTM tour book (just the guys) made me wonder what kind of rock and blues future this quartet would have pulled off. I would have bought a ticket to that show. |
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No keyboard player so the opening chords were done on guitar, I suppose Rick played lead while Billy did rhythm and other guy played bass? |
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First, he started filling in for members of Fleetwood Mac with other artists. Then he started playing with various members of Fleetwood Mac... Mick Fleetwood... Lindsey Buckingham... (Hey, that guy standing right next to George looks familiar...) Mick Fleetwood's Zoo... Christine McVie... Billy Burnette... Sang harmonies on John McVie's solo record... And Bekka Bramlett (who understands what it's like filling in for Stevie Nicks). |
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Damn If I had been in Dayton, (I am from there) the story would go more like Mick and Bekka disapear with me to Yellow Springs where we would go to Ha Ha Pizza, drink some great wine, then Mick would pull out some of the freshest grass and we would get lost in the wooded splendor of Glen Helen. Mick would adopt me and I would be on their road crew until the end of the Dance tour and then later I would become Stevie's PA. She would have released more (1 or 2) albums solo and w/ Mac. We would hear more songs like SOTM and Angel live. I'd be living in Hawaii by now And the universe would be in alignment :D |
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Somehow I knew that it wasn't the Rumours lineup...I only remember that my cousin said, "hey, FM is playing with REO Speedwagon, and Pat Benatar, and it's a CHEAP show!" So we decided "what the hell, let's go". I remember hearing people around us(we had lawn seats) bitching about "this isn't really FM....this sucks". But I gave them a chance, and by the time Bekka was singing Dreaming the Dream, I had became a fan of this lineup. And I truly believe that they could have gone on to make great music, if it weren't for getting past the ghost of FM Past. |
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That having been said, I was in Dayton in 1995, and I SHOULD have been getting into Guided by Voices. But, I chose to study and screw around on the internet. |
Christine's songs are the only material I have copied from Time cd to my ipod. Did I miss the Rumours lineup? Of course, but I'm not restricted to it. If Rick still had been in the band, I'd have included his songs.
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It not uncommon for things like that to happen, but if it was to the point that Bekka went off on him in front of fans, that would suggest to me there was a pattern that had become unacceptable to her. After that, he just sat at the bar sulking, and was unapproachable. Quote:
The ideal situation would have been Billy staying and the band getting a lead guitarist who didn't sing (i.e. Gregg Wright...I'd say Michael Thompson, but he was too busy). |
Saw a few great video clips of Bekka with the Mac on 95 tour.
She is a great singer and performer...I never really understood why she never broke out as a top selling single artist....but yet we get the likes of Taylor Swift and Nicki (WTF) Minaj? Anyway, this has inspired me to listen to Time (and again) |
Funny thing about Dave Mason is that I actually like his songs on Time way better than I like his solo stuff up until that point.
While he is my least favourite FM member, I do accept that after FM he became a hell of a lot "cooler" than in the years before. Perhaps Mick saw that potential and it just wasn't realised until he left FM? Plus, from the occasional old clip that I've seen he really was a damn fine guitarist even if you don't usually get to see that side of him. |
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When I look at the likes of Minaj and Gaga, it's like the bigwigs of the music industry cannot stand real women in music (like Bekka would have been one). So instead, they promote characters reminiscent of a vaudeville show like the former. That's kind of sad really. |
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BTW, I can't stand Taylor Swift, Nicki Minaj, and Gaga. :cool: |
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I liked 'Time' a lot
I prefer it to Say You Will I would have preferred if Rick was in the band taking Dave Mason's place. I loved the following tracks All Over Again Hollywood Nights In Estoril Dreaming The Dream Talking To My Heart Nothing Without You Winds Of Change |
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This is the album that thinly links the Mamas & Papas to Fleetwood Mac. |
Out of the Time songs I've heard, I only like These Strange Times, Which is the song everybody else seems to hate! :p. I like it cause its differeny and weird.
Time just doesn't sound FM to me. |
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