Lindsey on Conans podcast
 

Lindsey just did an interview on Sirus XM. Conan O'Brian podcast. I guess he is a big fan and listens all the time. I heard a snippet on Twitter that someone posted about his leaving the band. Nothing specific but he is still open to forgiving Stevie. Chump. And he is most upset about the Legacy of the band being hurt by the firing.

He is a chump, and it makes him look incredibly pathetic.

Yes, the stupid old goat FIRED YOU, and it's OVER. Accept it.

In the part I heard he doesn't even mention that it was her, and Conan asks, if you met Stevie in a coffee shop would you be open to talking and he says Yes! So Conan, I mean really everyone knows it was Stevie who did the firing.

I thought it was kind of funny — Conan was like if you ran into Stevie at Peet’s Coffee because that’s where she goes, and Lindsey laughed and said something like “yeah right” like the idea of Stevie being in a normal coffee shop was unfathomable. Probably an indication of how removed she is from normal life — having a family probably kept him from being that isolated.

It seems like Lindsey and Conan know each other a bit socially and might live near each other from the bits and pieces of the conversation about Conan being welcome to go to Lindsey’s to jam.

I’m coming around on being less disappointed that he is open to forgiving Stevie.. I suppose given how destructive and cruel they have all been to each other as well as other people who have been in their lives, the ability to forgive is not a terrible thing. Though I personally have no interest in seeing any reunion of any kind.

I do wish he could find a way to talk about Stevie and Christine without being so condescending. Like he couldn’t help pointing out how much he helped Christine with her songs or the fact that Stevie isn’t a “musician” — she may not be an instrumentalist but she clearly is someone who makes and performs music. I’m a fan of Lindsey and value his role in working with the other songwriters but man is he incapable of toning it down and not being condescending.

He did say something about Stevie like she isn't a musician per se. He said she's a talented songwriter.

He did complement Christine as a musician but I see what you mean. I still didn't think his comments weren't as arrogant as his comments before Christine had passed away.

What I couldn't stand hearing is that he said he'll be in LA all year working on his album... seriously! What did he do last year!!!

I listened last night and thought he must have a cold or something. His voice sounded frail and he was sniffing alot. I thought his comment about how the band needed his production help or something along those lines when he and Stevie first joined was a bit arrogant. I think they both needed each other pretty bad but FM had made many albums before Lindsey joined.

Anyone have a link to share? (I can't seem to find it online anywhere...) :confused:

You know, if ever there was a time for reconciliation, shouldn't it have been for Christine's funeral? Have these people no class?
This was pointed out to me by a friend and former(bant) Ledgie. And he's right.

I think Lindsey was watching what he said. He probably received some sort of threatening letter from Irving after that last round of comments that were made.

Lindsey did spend a ton of time working on Christine's songs, especially for Tango. The majority of the time working on that album was spent on his and Christine's songs. I've always thought he rightfully deserved the title of "The Architect of Fleetwood Mac" that is often given to him. It's pretty clear that the only sense of musical direction the rest of them had for any given project was purely "success" without any vision/point of view of what that means. If you took the songs from Tusk and undid all of the unique things that Lindsey added to the production - I think it would have been an incredibly boring album.

Christine was a master at writing the perfect pop tune, all on her own without any help from a writing perspective, that's for sure. I think Lindsey had a greater sense of vision for projects as a whole that the rest of the band never really had.

Lindsey is absolutely to blame for their mega success. His vision and craft IS what made them so radio friendly. They'd be mostly forgotten by now, if it weren't for him.

Stevie and Mick are really effing lucky, really exceptionally lucky. Lindsey and Christine dragged Tango over the finish line while those two were by all accounts, completely out to lunch. Then they got lucky again because it was a commercial success. Had Tango not happened, it would have changed the trajectory of everything moving forward. I don't know what kind of "comeback" they ever would have had if the last thing they did together was in 1982. Stevie openly admitted for years that '88-'94 were completely lost in terms of writing material and quite frankly the last period of time she was writing substantial new material was probably 2001/2002.

Stevie’s empire of Sheryl Louis, Irving Azoff, Karen Johnston, Mary Torrey, Jamie Young, Marty Hom, and Sharon Celani likely didn’t permit Lindsey to get anywhere near her at the Celebration of Life event. It’s just likely.

How do you suppose that? Did Lindsey want to get near Stevie? Were all those people at Christine funeral?

Dennis Dunstun said in the podcast he did that Stevie and Lindsey hugged and said a few words at Chris's memorial

There’s a photo of Stevie leaving the Celebration of Life with Mary, Sharon, and Karen. Stevie fans know Stevie always has her crew with her. I have no doubt Sheryl was there too since Sheryl knew Christine. The only reason Lindsey wouldn’t have wanted to go near Stevie is because he would have felt she wouldn’t have wanted to talk to him and it wouldn’t have been right to approach her.
Stevie said in a 2020 interview that she doesn’t want to talk with Lindsey and that’s fine. She said if it’s meant to, they will. In her stage shows now, she basically blames him for her not voting until she was 71 because somehow he’d be mad with her if she took time to vote or serve jury duty. I think she’s done with him. And the 2021 RollingStone comments from Irving in support of Stevie I think highlight it.

Do I wish they made peace in honor of Christine? Yes I do.

My god, how can ANYBODY not see how truly STUPID she is? She's a moron.

Folks criticize Lindsey for being so open to working with her again, but I gotta admire the guy for not being bitter and sour about it the way that Stevie certainly is. She just reeks of jealousy at this point. Her remarks and actions while they were working on Buckingham McVie already reeked of it. It's shocking what a truly ugly person she's become and I used to be a huge fan.

Her whole take about their living/working arrangement when they first moved to LA has taken a 360 in reverse. Literally for years, up to 2013 she would explain that yes, she waitressed while Lindsey worked on music. She was fine with that because she knew how talented Lindsey was and it was more important for him to dedicate his time to their music while she worked during the day.

After the events of 2018 - all the resentful remarks started and it became a whole different story. I'm waiting for the day she tells an arena of 15k people that it was her dad who owned the coffee plant and gave them the space to record with the 4-track machine she purchased.

What I wouldn't give for 30 minutes with Dan Perfect and a cup of truth tea. Although, Christine had too much class. I doubt she ever aired too much dirty FM laundry.

Her brother John knew/knows far more than Dan. and Chris did air a little when she got fed up. we all would...

and I admire LB also for his seeming willingness to move past whatever happened. i'm sure he can be ass at times, but i just wonder what it was that made her totally despise him.

--Lis

Probably his talent

I think as she’s gotten older, she resents that so much of her success is directly tied to him and Fleetwood Mac. It’s been 20+ years since she’s performed a lot of her solo work I.e Rooms on Fire…but she’s always expected to do Dreams, Rhiannon, Gypsy, Gold Dust Woman etc. Today those songs are the bedrock of her solo setlists. Talk to me, Has Anyone Ever, How Still My Love….are not.

Lindsey’s decisions are largely made through the lens of an artist. Stevie is spending her final years portraying the character she created 40+ years ago as a member of Fleetwood Mac. Her dedication over the years has shifted from the music to the persona.

I think she probably said during tour negotiations in 2017: “I just filled the same arenas for this upcoming Fleetwood Mac tour on my solo tour this past year so I don’t need to wait for you Lindsey to do a solo tour. I can just go out on my own and play these same arenas again. Fleetwood Mac needs me in order to have a successful tour.” And I think Lindsey probably said in response “You wouldn’t have been in Fleetwood Mac if they didn’t hear my guitar work.” And then she wanted him terminated.

But she didn't really fill those arenas on her own, it was a co-bill tour with The Pretenders. I also don't see Lindsey making that kind of a comment at this point in time.

She saw Mick, Christine, John, and Lindsey having that laugh together (it was actually Christine who motioned to Mick and pointed to her watch!) out of the corner of her eye during the Music Cares speech and it completely set her off. Instead of being mad at the entire band, she pinned it on Lindsey because she was already mad about the issue he had with what music they would walk out on stage to. Flash forward to tour negotiations and she decided she wasn't going to negotiate one ioda and eventually gave Mick the him or I decision.

Just to reiterate how stupid all of this was, here's a second by second recap. They're all standing like statues...as Stevie approaches the 5 minute mark, Christine starts tapping her watch. This whole debacle has little to do with Lindsey and more about the fact that the ENTIRE rest of the band didn't appreciate her 10 minute speech when the rest of them kept their words to an acceptable length. Not Stevie, she made them stand awkwardly while she held court. She made this about Lindsey (because that's the easiest getaway car) instead of admitting she was pissed at all of them, including her "best friend in the whole world, Christine" So that's my takedown of the 2018 bullsh*t. Arguably the dumbest argument in Fleetwood Mac history.

Of course she never wants to share the stage with Lindsey again because she realized that Lindsey and the rest of the band had no issue in calling her out on her own BS. For the first time since 2003 - she was outnumbered. There was only one way to restore the balance of power.

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Then Lindsey reacts with a laugh:
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Christine is visibly laughing as Lindsey does a quick dance move:
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Mick: by god how long is she going to make us stand here
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Yes, completely. But if a member of my band spends ten minutes talking about herself at a group event, I’m going to show the political intelligence to stand very still and then take the mic and do exactly what that other person did: aggrandize myself and push my own memories and experiences forward and ignore the collective — for another ten minutes. I would have completely counterbalanced Stevie’s ego display with a display of my own. It wouldn’t have made for very interesting TV, but she wouldn’t have had a leg to stand on if she had tried to complain about me.

The others have never put the connection together and have never had the political intelligence to handle Stevie by being Stevie or taking her at her word.

If she was complaining about not being involved in the studio, ask her point blank to supply the keyboard, drums, bass, or guitar for a couple of tracks and tell her you need some rough tracks in two weeks.

If she complained about you in the press, tell the same pop music critic: “She had an interesting take and I appreciate hearing from her. However, here’s how I remember that incident.”

If she complained about how mean your lyrics were, complain about how mean and hurtful her lyrics were (“Rulers make bad lovers” is meaner than anything in “Go Your Own Way”).

Sign a copy of your albums and put them all on her chair at the studio — a big stack of them.

If she’s backstage during the show for too many minutes, cut your song a little short and go to the mic and ask, “Stevie? Will you be out here soon?”

YES!! so many great points, David! It's maddening none of them ever had the guts to do it.

I really hope that at least ONE of them said behind the scenes that it wasn't just Lindsey "smirking" behind the podium. Sadly, I wouldn't be shocked if they sat back with their mouths shut and let Lindsey take the brunt of it all. They sure did publicly. Even on national tv they sat back while Stevie spilled blatant lies, to the point that Christine can't even look up from her hands.

Lindsey was absolutely right that perhaps the Chain was more appropriate for an entrance song because they all had a hand in writing it. It's the only joint co-writing credit they all share. Stevie wanted Rhiannon for the obvious reason - thats one of her career defining songs. He should have suggested "You Make Loving Fun" and then see her reaction.

They really ALL were to blame for "calling her out". But she hates Lindsey the most, so she sure showed him. Old HAG.

They called her out every night of the 2014 tour during her Gypsy story time. John and Christine had no issue having full conversations while sitting on that amp, you can't tell me Stevie didn't know what was going on. At one point Christine blew the whistle on Stevie to wrap it up. Music Cares was supposed to be an honor for ALL of them and she pulls the same sh*t again and grandstands for 10 minutes. It's no wonder.

They all had no issue participating in the passive aggressive behavior and continued to do it at an awards show, but then collectively let Lindsey take the fall when somebody finally had a meltdown that was years in the making.

I realize that I probably sound like Chevy Chase in that scene from Christmas Vacation....thanks for humoring my rants. I've got my Tylenol.

Al, just with regard to the White Album Rhiannon playing before FM started playing The Chain…Karen or whoever could have easily put the cricket noises on. I was at this event and it was just weird that Rhiannon was playing while the curtain was closed. It would have been like Monday Morning playing before a Mac concert starts.

And then Harry Styles came out to introduce them, have the curtain be pulled open, and sing The Chain with them, which was a favor to Stevie I gather so she could sing to her best friend and perhaps a favor to Azoff’s son who manages Harry. Harry had no business being up there singing with them but luckily he really just looked like a background singer and he didn’t steal any spotlights. He actually interacted most with Lindsey and Mick.

Back to the tour negotiations, Lindsey probably said something to Stevie that really made her tick. The negotiations happened in late 2017. I think the late great Brett said rehearsal for MusiCares was tense because they hadn’t seen each other since the tour meetings. I’m thinking what gets Stevie angriest with Lindsey is any hint that her door opening to be able to become “Stevie Nicks” was Mick being impressed by Lindsey on Frozen Love.

I remember her Gypsy speech at the NJ show in oct. 2014. I didn't feel it was too long at that moment, and even found it kind of interesting. But at the end of the show she stood alone for several minutes doing a looong goodbye speech while some people started to go out, including me cause I didn't understood what she was saying (the sound at Prudential Center was not the best), plus I was more worried about getting out of the parking area soon, since traffice is always a nightmare at the end of concerts.

I think at the end of the Columbus, OH show she gave her dreamcatcher speech.

That storyline just needs to die. It’s completely overblown.

Do people not realize Buckingham Nicks and Fleetwood Mac would have been in the same orbit, recording in the same studio with the same producer, even if Bob Welch had stayed? How did they get “Blue Letter”?

And, we’re talking early 70s Fleetwood Mac, here. Once Mick found out Buckingham Nicks weren’t on a label, he would have invited them to join Fleetwood Mac, anyway, since they were basically doing the same thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gyNfAI3axM
Stevie repeats “the storyline” at the 5 minute mark. Most recently, she said in October at The Garden that Lindsey wouldn’t have joined the band without her joining too. Mick told Alex Baldwin that Stevie is always mad at him whenever she says to him “you only wanted Lindsey.”

I don't know if very many people here take anything Stevie says with even the slightest grain of salt....:]

Sadly, I do think that the bitter 2024 version of Stevie would love to erase any ties Lindsey has/had with her success. If she could claim she did it all on her own, she would. ACTUALLY...she did pretty much try to claim she did it all on her own in recent years when talking about her solo career, dismissing the small army of people she had helping her.

This is sort of off topic, but I've always wondered if she doesn't hear the difference between Lindsey playing something like Gypsy vs Mike or Waddy playing it. Are they equally as good to her ears!? Does she simply not care about the differences and one is just "good enough" ? She's always been highly protective of her demos and her original arrangements of a song, yet when it comes to guitar playing she swaps a 5 year aged cheddar for a kraft single and doesn't bat an eye. That never made sense to me. But I’ve always felt that out of everyone it was Rick and Billy that handled Lindsey’s work the best. Waddy is a great guitarist in his own style, but terrible with Fleetwood Mac material.

The difference is in her solo career she is the BOSS. She will never be the boss of Lindsey. Equals possibly, but never the boss.

They never offered the job to just Lindsey! As pointed out countless times, anything they’ve said since 1997 has been a embellished. And, AGAIN, here’s what the two guys who actually had the phone call said about it:

So, two accounts from the two men who actually had the conversation told over twenty years apart and they’re identical. Furthermore, you’ll notice that the next phone call was to Mickey Shapiro to draw up contractual paperwork, not the McVies, so the whole idiotic “Christine had to like Stevie” storyline was crap, too.

We, specifically you and me, have had this discussion several times already, so you know the FACTS, and most of us old timers have mentioned numerous times that they started romanticizing and embellishing their story starting with The Dance, so I don’t get why you keep referencing something you know isn’t accurate by someone known to not be a reliable source of information?

Yes Mick wrote that in his first book. He wanted Lindsey but when he knew they were a package deal, he offered the job to both.

Few pages later he also wrote:
Only later did it become apparent that Lindsey was with Stevie. They were together. Their ambitions and hopes were as a unit. They had been working for years, I was told; they were hitting brick walls but were determined to keep writing together. Later Stevie would give me a hard time. "Aaabhh, if I hadn't been with Lindsey, you wouldn't have wanted me." And like that. All I can say is that I remembered this guitar player but couldn't remember his name.

In other words, he didn’t realize they were a couple when he inquired about a guitarist. Nobody’s disputing Mick was only inquiring about a guitarist when he called Keith Olsen. It’s the whole “I told them I wouldn’t join without her” storyline I have an issue with.