"Intuition" Appreciation Thread
Isn't this song absolutley brilliant :D Its such a shame it was left off BTM - much better than "Stand on the Rock" I felt :shrug:
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I agree. I really like Intuition also and I think it could have replaced a bunch of songs on the album. It's definitely better than Love is Dangerous.
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I actually quite like "Stand On the Rock." Yeah, the lyrics are stupid, but I really enjoy the guitar work on it. Besides, I have "Intuition" on Vito's solo CD King of Hearts so I've got the best of both worlds anyway.
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(and for the following reasons): 1) The rhythm section is Mick Fleetwood & John McVie instead of a drum machine and Rick Vito himself playing bass 2) The background vocals by Christine McVie & Billy Burnette are fuller than those by Stevie Nicks alone 3) IT'S FLEETWOOD MAC DAMN IT!!!! |
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I honestly think of all the stuff I've heard from that period, "Intuition" could have been THE biggest hit of the 1990s for Fleetwood Mac. It had radio airplay written all over it. The person who decided to leave that off BTM altogether should have his or her head examined.
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I wouldn't have been opposed to all three collaborating on the backing vocals though, and they probably would have, if "Intuition" had made it to the final running order for 'Mask.' |
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[QUOTE=chiliD]Sure, but the Fleetwood Mac version is SO much better. ;)
I have never heard the Fleetwood Mac version. I didn't even know there was a Mac version! Would anyone be so kind to post that as well? |
I think I heard this once or twice. It left no impression on me, as you can see.
It reminds me nothing of "The Weird Beast" by Rickie Lee Jones. |
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Having heard the outtakes before the actual album, I found it hard to believe the album could be that strong that Intutition was left off it.
Having heard the album has not changed that opinion. |
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Walk Another Mile Roll With Me Henry Cool Water Book Of Miracles Love Is Dangerous Ricky Whole Lotta Trouble You And I Pt. 1 Can't Help Falling In Love When The Sun Goes Down Down Endless Street I Still Miss Someone Then, they should have released "Behind The Mask" (produced by Patrick Leonard) in 1989. Skies The Limit Victim Of Love Rooms On Fire Got No Home Save Me Affairs Of The Heart In The Back Of My Mind Behind The Mask Stand On The Rocks Do You Know Intuition Paper Doll As Long As You Follow The Game Of Love |
Actually, to be more chronologically correct, "Got No Home" & "As Long As You Follow" should go on the EP, with "Walk Another Mile" & "When The Sun Goes Down" going on the full BTM album. And, I'd also suggest that "No Questions Asked" go on the EP, with "Whole Lotta Trouble" going the full album, as well. "Ricky" can stay as a single B-side, as far as I'm concerned.
And, "I Still Miss Someone" could stay unreleased, as well. |
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OSOTM is a great album, you guys are a bunch of haters :laugh: |
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I'm sure there would have been plenty of folks who grumbled that FM was working with Madonna's producer (Dear God, not that!), but there was a lot of potential there for a fantastic album. |
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Some people think 'In The Meantime' is bland and lacks character, while others think it's a brilliant album. The difference of viewpoints keeps things interesting... it's what makes the world go 'round. Unfortunately it's the lack of respect for each others' tastes that brings things down to a junior-high level. |
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So, before "Behind The Mask" was even released, the band had the challenges of Lindsey being gone, two new guys, a fat Stevie Nicks who had a voice that had lost most of its range, and a compilation that basically told the world the band's best days were behind it. And then they release a new album that didn't even have the all of the good songs on it. That's the legacy of Fleetwood Mac 1988-1991. Looking back, it would have been better for everybody involved if Stevie hadn't released "Red Rocks" or OSOTM and the Mac hadn't released the "Tango" video or "Greatest Hits" album and focused all of their energy on making the best album they could, and based on all that's out there, it could have been significantly better. Now, I don't completely hate OSOTM. It hasn't aged especially well, which can be said of several projects from the post-Tango, pre-Dance era. Even the masterpiece, Lindsey's "Out Of The Cradle" sounds dated with the drum machines. And, the Zoo's "Shakin' The Cage" sounded a bit dated when it was released (too hair metal). So, I'm not going to completely knock Stevie on this point. |
To me, it basically went downhill as soon as the Tusk tour was over and there was no new material from Fleetwood Mac (other than three songs on a live double album) for two years..then another five until the one after that...THAT to me was the killer.
Stevie & Lindsey should've just left the band the day after the final show of the Tusk tour (Hollywood Bowl)...let the band find their way with new people THEN. |
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Fleetwood Mac was a dinosaur band, and I really doubt there's anything they could have done about it. Even if they hadn't released the 'Tango' video and 'Greatest Hits,' and even if Stevie hadn't released 'Red Rocks' and 'TOSOTM,' whatever album they did release would have still been viewed by the younger generation as just another album by "that band my Mom & Dad likes." It still amazes me that the 'Tango' album and most of its singles did so well, because there was nary a soul in my school that would even admit to remotely liking Fleetwood Mac... and I graduated in 1990. I remember a few of the girls liked "Little Lies," but that was it. So I don't think a "better" album with a different song selection would have changed any of that. |
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If anything, THAT MAKES it a more adult conversation. |
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If one can't take a little ribbing, perhaps one shouldn't play with others. |
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and as for mor production, that characterizes ALL of stevie's albums & good chunks of fm albums. so, homie, just why DO you hate osotm? I hate it too but why do YOU hate it? |
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the moral of the story is: one man's meat is another man's poison |
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but yes you are absolutely right that by 1987 even, fleetwood mac (despite its hit album) was definitely slipping out of coolsville. a few things helped prop it up: the aforementioned popularity of the adult-contemporary side of things, also the continued airplay & support on mtv, which was still showing fleetwood mac videos (or just plain videos) in 1987 & still covering the band's doings on MTV IN THE NEWS. but I'll tell ya, stew cause you may not know this being quite a bit younger: fleetwood mac's luster in the public eye----that growing sense in the public that they were old farts----began even well before 1987....I began to notice such a phenomenon even by the time they headlined the us festival in 1982. LOTS of kids questioned just who the hell they were even then, & bitched about why the hell stupid fleetwood mac was headlining. the band had nothing in common with missing persons & other progressives in 1982, which was the stuff played at teenager parties & school dances--NOT fleetwood mac. from there it was just a pretty steady decline. Concert attendance tells you nothing because even though it seems like a lot of people, it ain't---not compared with all the people buying albums or listening to radio. The concert audience is an extremely miniscule part of that. besides most of the people who filled up the forum when stevie or whoever came to play were just out for a party----you probably wouldn't have caught them dead with a stevie nicks cassette of Wild heart in their car, paradoxically enough. that's the fleetwood mac story according to david o. :eek: |
Partially why I said it should have been released in 1989 is that there was still SOME hope for chart success. I mean, you guys are totally discounting that a number of Fleetwood Mac's contemporaries had BIG hits, some of the biggest of their careers, in 1989. Clapton had "Journeyman," Henley had "End Of The Innocence," and Petty had perhaps the album of his career with "Full Moon Fever." So, why Fleetwood Mac couldn't have had a hit in 1989? It was still possible in 1990. Now, within two years, it wouldn't have been possible. "Surrender The Rain" vs. "Smells Like Teen Spirit." Hmmmm...
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I was never "upset" at you not liking OSOTM - I just wondered what was so bad about it that it made you lose you "onetime huge fandom" And I find that what I said about SA was a fair opinion - what you said about OSOTM was almost an attack, an attack I never was "confused or upset" about: "No kidding. OSOTM is an absolute piece of sh*t. My onetime HUGE Stevie fandom ground down to zero upon hearing this dreck." And just for the record I never once said that OSOTM is my favourite :p |
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