"Colour Me Pop" 1968 BBC
 

There was a performance on this show shown in color (American spelling) on BBC TV during the summer of 1968. "Lazy Poker Blues", and "Love That Burns" were played live on TV. The audio of those recordings are the alternate versions from "Jumping At Shadows", and "The Vaudeville Years". The audio of those recordings are poor, which means it's second+ gen recording. Where is the video?

I went to "wiped.com" (a website devoted to lost video, and audio material), and discovered that the show "Colour Me Pop" is in high demand for the videos that still exist of bands from the late 60's. Many claim that the BBC erased their footage right after broadcast, yet someone responded that two years later when Peter Green left the band, the BBC showed this footage in tribute to his departure.

To make this footage more rare, Peter Green is playing his Fender Stratocaster. It doesn't matter the guitar, the tone is amazing!

Celloid Heroes....
 

Thanks, slipkid. I didn't know that there was a site dedicated to this magnificent course, bless them....

I went and had a look at the page in question:

http://wipednews.com/2009/03/29/colo...sing-material/

Just think that the BBC had the nerve to erase ANYTHING from this Golden Age of British Music! Who the hell would make a decision like that??? What a loss!!!

A few years back we (here on The Ledge) were discussing the film from Njårdhallen, Oslo taped by NKR-TV on the 3rd of october 1969 (screened the next year). Some clips of it are on Youtube or on The Early Years video. The full concert might still be in the vaults according to - I think - ledgie dansven. Maybe other European countries have film, like Holland, Germany, Denmark, Sweden....???

There is a website for Free Festivals in the UK, where they are looking for film of The Bath Festival 28th of June 1969. There was a film crew there that day. And the description here gives a good idea of the problems of finding footage from these events. It has still photoes of FM:

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/bA1.html

Oh Well....

Ms Moose:woohoo:

the tone
 

This is something that always gets me. I know some guitars sound better than others but in the hands of a master, a cigar box and stick with a rubber band strtetched across it would sound great.

such is the case with Peter Green


doodyhead

Right on! You hit the nail right on the head!

Ms Moose:nod:

Yeah, well... Same problem over here in Holland. The Den Haag venue, shown on TV by NCRV (Netherlands Christian Radio Vereniging [Association]) has been erased as well. The Bas***ds!:mad:

The BBC has many countries, and copies.
 

Wouter,

I'm hoping that somewhere in Australia, or Canada, this footage still exists.


As for Amsterdam, or Norway, it's a long-shot.

That "Sugar Mama" from Holland 2/69 was shown on television??? I think my head just exploded.

I've played that song (bootleg) for Green fans, but more in the Hendrix/Clapton/Allman realm. They say it's on par with Jimi Hendrix.

Baaaaang!!!
 

SO DID MINE!!! With no "explosion smilies" a :blob1: will have to do. Sugar Mama - Netherlands version - one of my favourite live recordings.
I am usually not a violent person, but this "erasing-footage business" makes me want to organize a posse:laugh:.

Ms Moose

Sugar Mama gone
 

Slipkid and MsMoose:
Don't worry, as I mentioned above, it was the Den Haag venue that was broadcasted on TV. They played Den Haag at appriximately 20:00 o'clock. Later, at 24:00 they played in Amsterdam. Sugar Mama was from the Amsterdam show, thus not in Den Haag, thus not on on TV, thus not erased, thus nothing to be mad about. :D

Do you remember the Den Haag setlist? FM used to mix up their setlists for every concert (under Peter Green) since the band was formed which wasn't the norm in 1969.


Of course today the Grateful Dead are credited as ("pioneers") one of those bands that don't follow a "script" on tour. Even if Den Haag has an "Albatross", it's a still a tragic loss of visual, and musical content. If there wasn't a "Sugar Mama", there had to be another song that captured Peter Green's mood that night, because he was "on".

Holland 1969 info
 

This is the information I have regarding FM in Holland 1969. Obviously they must have played longer, but this is all that has been broadcasted. Den Haag on TV, Amsterdam on radio.
I myself was there in De Doelen in Rotterdam. I do not have any vivid memories except for a long number where Mick bent over his hihat for a long time, and just kept on playing just the hihat. Must have been The Green Manalishi where Peter plays his 6-string bass. Also vague memories of a tiny fellow behind a guitar: Jeremy Spencer. I was only 18 then, and it was one of my few live concerts (really loved Pink Floyd show too). Memory fades "As the years go passing by" (Deadric Malone). :shrug:
I now live in Groningen (since 1971). People I know that attended the Korenbeurs show have nice stories about how the show suddenly stopped because some dude in charge of facilities shut off the electricity because he didn't like the music and felt it was too loud.....:lol:

My favorite track? One Sided Love from Den Haag.

Anyway:

HOLLAND: THE HAGUE & AMSTERDAM, 1969-02-28
(Same tour: Korenbeurs, Groningen, 1969-03-01; De Doelen, Rotterdam, 1969-03-02)
Line-up: Peter Green : guitar, vocals Danny Kirwan : guitar, vocals
Jeremy Spencer : guitar, vocals John MacVie : bass guitar
Mick Fleetwood : drums
Tracks:
The Hague (Den Haag):
01. Introduction announcement
02. One Sided Love
03. Stop Messin’ Round *
04. San-Ho-Zay *
05. Albatross *
06. Tallahassie Lassie
07. Blue Suede Shoes *
08. Teenage Darlin’ (just the bass guitar)
09. Twist And Shout
Amsterdam:
10. Introduction announcement
11. Merry Go Round *
12. One Sided Love *
13. Dust My Broom *
14. Got To Move *
15. “Green Thoughts” *
16. Sugar Mama *
17. I Can’t Hold Out *
18. Tallahassie Lassie

Comments: Live bootleg

Recording quality : B
Playing quality : B

Other
* tracks released on bootlegs “Live in Amsterdam” and “Roughage 69”.

That TV footage was head exploding material.
 

A televised version of "San-Ho-Zay", and "Tallahassee Lassie" is enough to get angry at short minded TV producers in Holland. "One Sided Love" from Amsterdam is killer, to see it televised would make your jaw drop. Danny Kirwan's confidence dropped the longer he was with Peter Green. Those early months with FM Kirwan could belt a solo ("One Sided Love'). By Boston 2/70, Kirwan was so intimidated. You can hear the difference between the concerts. BTW I bet the song you remember with Mick Fleetwood on the Hi-Hat was "Coming Your Way". Peter Green didn't introduce "The Green Manalishi" until late '69. Maybe that was the concert you remember later in the year.

confidence
 

What was going on with Danny is a function of Danny. Peter was a monster player by that time. The craziness of human dynamics is that personalities mesh in so many ways that one can't see it close up.

There is a great line in an old R & B song.
"The very thing that makes you rich makes me poor"
They had a strange symbiotic relationship with each other and each contributed to the total product. Together they were so incredibly formidable. That it had side effects.........Oh Well



doodyhead

The cog in the wheel was Jeremy Spencer. While JS wasn't an active guitarist for Peter Green songs, or songs that featured Danny Kirwan, JS played great piano for some Peter Green blues songs, and some of the Fifties songs' Peter Green sang.

Jeremy Spencer wrote a song in 1969 that was protopunk; "Somebody's Gonna Get Their Head Kicked in Tonight". It's been covered so many times by many punk bands. For that song alone, Jeremy Spencer grew beyond the blues.


Three guitarists was a crowd. That was the problem, so Peter Green left. IMHO (sorry Mr. Spencer), but the wrong guitarist left in May 1970.

Slipkid, people just leave, it has nothing to do with right or wrong (my humble opinion)

/z

What I'm trying to say is that once Danny Kirwan joined Fleetwood Mac, Jeremy's role became smaller. Jeremy logically would've been the first to leave. Peter Green came from the John Mayall/Eric Clapton school of thought that one should not stay in one place for so long. So he left first. Fleetwood Mac with Peter Green lasted longer than Cream.

True, and Kolors and Splinter Group lasted longer than Fleetwood Mac with Peter Green, as did Bob Welch with FM. However, I do prefer those 1967-1970 FM years. :wavey:

BTW I bet the song you remember with Mick Fleetwood on the Hi-Hat was "Coming Your Way". Peter Green didn't introduce "The Green Manalishi" until late '69. Maybe that was the concert you remember later in the year.[/QUOTE]

When I saw them play Coming your Way (if your talking about Danny's song )then Mick played it entirely on the two hanging tom toms (though with Bass drum and Foot high hat possibly !)

Les Paul not strat
 

I went to "wiped.com" (a website devoted to lost video, and audio material), and discovered that the show "Colour Me Pop" is in high demand for the videos that still exist of bands from the late 60's. Many claim that the BBC erased their footage right after broadcast, yet someone responded that two years later when Peter Green left the band, the BBC showed this footage in tribute to his departure.

To make this footage more rare, Peter Green is playing his Fender Stratocaster. It doesn't matter the guitar, the tone is amazing![/QUOTE]

It was I who posted on that site about seeing the tribute when Peter quit. It was on an edition of Late Night Line Up on BBC2. a live magazine prog broadcast at perhaps 10.30 every night. I believe the clip they used was Love That Burns .(but I might be conflating (Ooh Matron!)
I also of course saw the Fleetwood Mac Colour Me Pop when it was broacast .
Peter used his Les Paul on all songs , to the best of my recollection ,except , in a filmed insert of Need Your Love So Bad, and .I could be wrong ,but I think he was playing a strat in this , poss even a Sunburst one and I think?he was sitting on a chair !!?(it was 40 years ago!!) I think this bit was in B&W, but its possible I saw the whole thing in B&W as we may not yet have got a Colour TV !
The basis of the show was they put a band on the studio for a 30 poss 40 minute prog presumably taped prior to broadcast , and let them get on with it playing live (no audience incidentally )therefore it was unusual to have a filmed part .
Other lost Colour Me Pop gems include a very young Free, Chicken Shack , Frank Zappa and many, many more - including the pick of the so called "underground bands "of the time in fact - those that did sessions on John Peel's Top Gear Radio show though there were also some "middle of the road and "pop" artistes

So you could say all these recordings are reported missing in Acton (English BBC related joke )

Pretty good memory, THD! I'm sure this would be the video you're thinking of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtmW2ek7WkQ

This is also on the Fleetwood Mac "The Early Years" DVD.

Great posts you've been making, THD - keep it up. I know a lot of us here would love to hear more of your recollections of seeing the band play live, as well as of all those lost TV appearances.

Thank you very much !

Just looked at the you tube clip. I have seen this before ,as it happens ,but I'm convinced the filmed insert on Colour Me Pop was not this .The only other things I remember about what I saw was that it wasnt in a studio ,it was in a house or something ,and, as I say ,my memory is of Peter sitting on a chair ,possibly astride it ,with it turned round the wrong way (obviously he wasnt playing a guitar at this point though he might still have been wearing it ) It was more like an early pop promo vid !

Now that's what I remember ,but I'm old enough and ugly enough (as my dad used to say )to know that after all these years it's only too easy easy to combine two different events into the one memory etc .

But I'd dearly like to be proved wrong about all my reminiscences of this .cause that would mean that the tape of the prog has turned up !! Come on someone prove me wrong !

Finally ,Jeremy seems to be the only Fleetwood Mac member who post here, and he was there when they recorded it, and judging from the Peter Green doc ,his memory is spot on .( One of the delights of that prog was to see him interviewed - in all my time of following this band I had never seen him talk !)

Yes, great postings THD! Fantastic that you have actually seen and heard FM in their prime. Please keep the memories coming! How many times do yo reckon you saw FM and where? How old were you?

That Youtube clip is from a dutch tv appearance. According to Hjort's book "Strange Brew" it was filmed on the 26th of september 1968. Danny had just joined at the end of the summer. I really hope you are proven wrong too.

Ms Moose:woohoo:

need your love so bad
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhdfN...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWwUQ...eature=related

Thank you so much Ms Moose- I hope I am Proven wrong But even more so I hope I'm proved right ,as I would then be really impressed with myself !

I saw them 7 or 8 times whilst Peter was in the band , and a further 4 times before they settled in the US . I wish I'd seen them more, but I was still a schoolboy at the start,(well actually up till Peter left !!) and I guess I was still getting pocket money from my parents ,and this had to pay for records and everything else , sheet music and saving up for a better guitar, and a few performaces by other people Cream, Jimi Hendrix, Aysley Dunbar Retaliation , John Lee Hooker etc

So:

Battersea Town Hall ,London oct 22, 1968 ( I was 16)

Surrey rooms Oval cricket ground, London, May 8,1969

Royal Albert Hall with Duster Bennet & BBKingJune 30 ,1969 (Def saw this line up , but they did earlier Albert hall show with BB, so some doubt as to which I was at, though my memory is that it was after seeing them at the Surrey Rooms )

The Round House Feb25 1970
Ditto Venue (but poss not -the doubt here is that I think I saw them at the Round House on a total of three occassions ,but that doesnt fit with the published gig lists! )

The Lyceum Ballroom ,Strand, London 12 April ,1970

Roundhouse( Peters last Appearance possibly 24 April 1970, but see above)
.........................................

Imperial College London (Peter had left ,but was in the front row watching the band!)

Kensington Town Hall Bob Welch(this is weird but I can't remember much about him being there and perhaps he wasn't?) (Jeremy had left) and Danny definitelty there (Mick did an amazing free flowing drum jam afterwards belying his self confessed limitations )


Marquee (Bob Welch , but was Danny there?)

City University ?

Some other university or College ,Bob Weston etc

I will post my memories of each one if you like, but which is the best thread to do it on ? I mean, I wasn't the only one at these events, and I 'd love for it to jog other peoples memories ,but they won't find them on a Colour Me Pop thread will they ? Or maybe they will!

Wow, Vinnie - that's a great clip! Grandma Mary can play. Her website said she only began learning to play when she was 60. Just shows you it's never too late to start!

I'm sure most of us here would love to hear your memories of these shows, THD! Why not start a new thread for them, or you could even start a separate new thread for each show.

In fact I'd love to hear your recollections of seeing Cream, Hendrix, Hooker, and others too!

Yes THD, please post your recollections! A new thread is a good idea.

Thanks !

To Hear is to obey .

I will start a new thread.

Will do ! I case anyone is interested ( or hasn't noticed it ),I did my memories of the concert at the Lyceum Ball room April 1970 on the HEY MR BASSMAN !THREAD

Thanks for starting the new thread, THD! And I did see your notes on that Lyceum show too - any other memories from that show besides Peter playing his 6-string bass?

Huh?
 

I don't understand this, what do you mean?

GJK
(from the Netherlands)

Slipkid could you say why people think he was playing strat in this programme ?

Yes I do have some more I'll post them on the Bassman thread, and eventually combine them as a copy on the new thread when it gets to that concert in the order I (think ) I saw them in !

I can appreciate your dilemma - having to choose between all these fantastic musicians and performances(I am not envious :laugh:)! You are so lucky having the right age, and being in the right place at the right time.

Thank you for answering my questions. Did you really see FM and BB King? I wish there were audios (and films too) of those concerts.

We would LOVE to have you post all your memories. Great idea with the new thread and the idea of copying them onto the new thread.
No wonder "the teens" are also called the formative years: important experiences, sight, sound and smell seems to make a lasting impression as they have with you. Fantastic!

Ms Moose:]

lost bbc sessions
 

hi,

always been a great fan of the peter green perios fleetwood mac, esp 67/68
i.m a new member and i look to complete my fm bbc recordings for i believe some people just sit on those trax and wont share wich is a bad thing. I owe a lot of recordings , official cds, boots, even tapes but i still lack a lot,

You look like a guy who reallly digs Peter too and so you or other members you know of will perhaps be happy to trade rare bbc recordings with me.

my question for you is if you know( or maby you owe them) any tapes of the lost bbc sessions with eddie boyd and the ones with christine perfect and some solo fm, all sessions from 68: songs : the stroller, blue coat man , wine whiskey woman , if you be my baby en crazy for my baby, baby dont you want to go , hard hearted woman and crzy about my baby.

Also from later shows 70 : you ll be mine , roll along blues , hot rodding , new worried blues all 17/3 ,leaving her blues 27/4/70 and a fine set of 3 tracks : all over again ,talk with you and just want to tell you ( these seem to be from 14/5 69!!)

And at last some early bbc sessions off shoots : worried dreams !!!!!!!!!!!! 9/4 68
: a fool nomore , there one on the official 2 cd but are two takes from november 67 !!!!!

they never show up on bbc cdrs or boots or whatever and i should love those missing tracks to complete the beeb sessions

Hope you can put me in contact with the ones in the forum who dig and have most of the bbc sessions, i hope you will contribute too

kind regards

Jan