OOTC Tour 1992
As I listen to this amazing concert from 1992 it’s so refreshing to hear Lindsey playing live for the first time in 10 years. When I think about all the live concerts I saw this “band” from 1978 to 2013. I missed only the Tusk and OOTC tour. My two favorite albums.....Go figure.
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These days, very few make much money off of selling records. Touring is where you make bank now. |
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Hey, I was 13. Don't hold it against me. (Trivia - watching the Tusk doc outtakes right now....) |
I would have loved to have seen the Tusk tour.
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I.F*CKING.WENT.:p |
Was the 1992 tour cut short because on his "Behind the Music" special its discussed that there was not a demand especially for the big show he was putting on. I cant remember exactly but it sort of hinted the tour was very short and not extended due to poor attendance. He was really getting his sea legs back. There was a funny clip of him on stage saying "Don't everyone yell out "Go your own way right away"
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OOTC tour dates can be found on the best FM and LB info and archive site http://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/still...adle-tour.html - 35 dates from Dec 1992 through July 1993. June and July 1993 was openings for Tina.
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I think everyone is partially right on this one. Lindsey definitely changed over the years. Remember his Cream magazine interview in 1982 when asked what the future held for Fleetwood Mac and his response was not going on the road touring at age 40. He was 30 something at the time.
I've watched his Behind the Music segment many times over the years and watched parts of it again today. Lindsey definitely preferred the studio over touring at a time in his life. Not sure what he thinks about it today. However touring today is a different beast than it used to be. Lindsey states (Behind the Music) that he loved and enjoyed his 1992 tour being on stage with a family that was not dysfunctional. But the narrator states the tour was "costly." That is polite language to mean by the time Lindsey paid his big band, hotels, travel, etc, he made no money. You can also relate Christine's 1984 solo tour. I saw her play for only about 200 people in a theater. She had to pay her opening band, her band, hotel and travel expenses. Tickets were $14.00. Just renting the theater would have cost more than what the ticket sales were. But she was a trooper and continued the tour for the benefit of her band and opening act. She probably lost money on the tour or broke even. Go Insane was not a successful album and Lindsey was probably afraid of a dismal or cancelled tour. Lindsey admits in BTM that he was in competition with Stevie with the solo stuff. Lindsey's last tour he had a meet and greet. He made thousands each night just on the meet and greets. If ticket sales were strong enough, he may not have done such a thing. A tour is a big event that takes lots of planning and coordination. To entertain such an event you have to consider if there is any profit in it. Anyway, I am posting a link to Lindsey's BTM. Apparently it was removed from YouTube but I found it on another site. Its really funny to watch it today because we know things now we may not have know back then. Sometimes Lindsey speaks in hints or not so direct but now you know what he means. Even then he talks about how he had to take Stevie's voice from old recordings to finish Tango. Most interesting part is that he says he may not have ever gone solo if the band continued to make Tusk like albums. My LOL part of this BTM is when Stevie says "no one ever told us cocaine was bad for you. Not one person." I actually did laugh out loud at that and I've seen it many times. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7el5wz |
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there were some interviews with him where it was pretty clear that taking everything into account he must have lost tons of money on OOTC tour and was definitely disappointed with how that time.worked out. clearly at the time he and his record co were hoping he'll be a commercial success as a solo act, and when that didn't happen it must have left a sour taste that needed a while to go away. remember, he wouldn't even play any OOTC songs on solo tours forever, however much people were asking him. took a number of solo tours after that, and a Solo Anthology, for him to finally fully embrace OOTC songs and perform them on tour. remember when he first toured UTS, how happily surprised he was how much he liked it and how well it was going? he kept adding legs, that tour went on over several years. so i think after disappointment of OOTC tour (which was from all and every account fantastic one tto see, i wish i did!), he set completely low expectations for UTS tour and ended up being really really happy with the reception, how it went, and how much fun he had being on the road and playing his new material. GOS tour lasted barely over a month though, because there was FM GH tour already booked for 2009, so GOS tour had to be squeezed in. One Man Show in 2012 was the first solo tour where Lindsey actually made money. it started as just him, guitar tech and a sound guy, with rented cars + u-haul for equipment. although as the tour went on and was profitable, it expanded and they added tour managers, drivers, and merch people - and even some cheap m&gs for random dates. 2018 tour was his first solo tour since then (so much wasted time with FM GHs tours! at least we got 2017 BuckVie), and considering BuckVie tour made money, and there they traveled in FM style, i have no doubt that 2018 solo tour where they traveled in buses / more down to earth way was profitable (remember all those on-stage jokes about band members doing their own laundry?), plus he did m&gs too, as you noted. |
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http://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/stillgoinginsane/ |
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Think about it: Lindsey wrote one of the most revered Fleetwood Mac songs ever (GYOW), which RS ranked highest of all Fleetwood Mac songs, and produced one of the most critically acclaimed albums ever (Tusk), but because he kept trying to find lightening in a bottle, he let his career pass him by. |
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yes, Stevie has created a persona that she's been successfully marketing. Lindsey and Christine are artists and musicians, primarily. Quote:
but you are arguing whether someone is a great artist vs whether someone is great at selling themselves. if someone is a great artist, doesn't mean they are great at marketing (or they assembled a good enough team to do it). |
Hadn't seen this clip before. Thought I'd share. In relation to OOTC Tour.
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here's his OOTC touring band, thanks to nodmod again http://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/still...adle-tour.html: The Band Neale Heywood - Guitar Janet Robin - Guitar Scott Breadman - Percussion Liza Carbe - Guitar Dan Garfield - Keyboards Steve Ross - Guitar Michael Tempo - Percussion John Wackerman - Drums Kevin Wyatt - Bass Guitar * Fredrico Pol - Bass Guitar * * - Kevin Wyatt was replaced by Fredrico Pol on the second leg of the tour |
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While I realize it wasn’t called Fleetwood Mac, the LBCM tour wasn’t especially well attended, at least by Fleetwood Mac standards. Meanwhile, Stevie had her biggest solo tour in 2017. As for Fleetwood Mac as a brand, while it was pre-1997 and didn’t feature any of the classic vocalists, the Fleetwood Mac brand itself wasn’t enough to get past opening act or packaged tour level 94-95. Obviously, an MJLC version would be viable, but not at the arena level. So, again, where is the evidence that Fleetwood Mac would still be an arena band without the member who has sold 30 million albums independent of the band? There‘s no way Mick and John were going to gamble that Fleetwood Mac would remain a huge concert draw without Stevie when they knew they would be with Stevie. |
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Fleetwood Mac is "in" brand, nowadays. people go to their shows to say they saw a legendary band and for singalongs while drinking beer. Fleetwood Mac before their re-grouping in 1997 were has-beens and a laughing stock ("i'd rather jack" remember?). |
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If there had to be a choice between Stevie and Lindsey and there was no possibility of both being in the band together anymore, Mick, John, and Christine knew from prior history that Fleetwood Mac could survive and continue playing arenas without Lindsey. Sure, they could have taken the creative path, but their relevance as a recording entity passed them by. The Eagles had a hit with “Long Road Out of Eden,” but it’s never going to be held in the same regard as their ‘70s albums. The same would be true for any new Fleetwood Mac album. So, do you make a new album that will be largely forgotten in a few years and make $3-$6 million, or do you skip the album and make $12 million, keeping in mind that the core 12-15 songs will be the same in either set? |
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however, you are right that Mick and promoters didn't want to risk the unknown, just in case. they didn't want to in 2011/12 and didn't want to in 2018. and apparently you are similarly risk averse, or you think you'd be. Quote:
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The legacy of FM means nothing to him. Hitching his broken down wagon to $tevie's sagging 3 note goat tractor is the best chess move he has. |
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In any case, it’s not my band. I don’t know any of them. As for risk, if it had been up to me, they would have fired Dave Mason in ‘96 and gone on as a quartet with Bekka and Billy for at least one or two more albums. But, just as in 2018, money called. Quote:
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Interestingly, Lindsey was the opener for Tina Turner's 1993 tour. A friend of mine saw the show in Montreal, Canada.
I remember her telling me that as it was a Tina audience, no one knew who Lindsey was until he did 'Go Your Own Way', and then he was recognized only as 'what's his name from Fleetwood Mac'. |
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