RollingStone Musicians on Musicians: Lindsey and Omar Apollo

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

If Lindsey went back to FM without John in the lineup and John's alive, that would be a crap stain on the legacy of the band.

Even if John said he just wasn’t interested? How would that be different than when FM recorded Say You Will without Christine?

I could see your point if they excluded John for some reason. But if it was his decision to not join them? Stevie chose not to join them to record Buck/Vie, but no one says Christine and Lindsey shouldn’t have recorded that album, and I agree.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by bwboy

Even if John said he just wasn’t interested? How would that be different than when FM recorded Say You Will without Christine?

How would it be different? I'm not sure I can answer. Christine wanted to be a part-time member after The Dance.
If it was that John wanted to tour but not record, I'd say there is no difference than the SYW example you gave. I say all this lovingly and I respect your point. Fleetwood Mac is Mick and John, not Mick, Stevie, Al Ortiz and Lindsey Buckingham. That's how I feel.

Now 2018 FM, I went to see and said to friends I was going to see FM but I saw that more as a tribute tour than anything else because there was no new music made with Neil and Mike performed on that tour. Mike and Neil were playing 30 year old FM songs they had nothing to do with the recording of. Tango and BTM tours were legitimate FM tours that weren't tribute tours because those of those had the band playing new songs, advancing with a new sound.

Originally Posted by bwboy

I could see your point if they excluded John for some reason. But if it was his decision to not join them? Stevie chose not to join them to record Buck/Vie, but no one says Christine and Lindsey shouldn’t have recorded that album, and I agree.

But LBCM isn't a Fleetwood Mac album, it was titled LBCM - whose choice was that? Azoff? HK/SL Management?

If John didn't want to join them, then fine call it Fleetwood Mac for business purpose but have a statement from John in the tour announcement stating his decision not to tour and then have Lindsey's sample guy use the computer with John's recorded bass parts

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

But LBCM isn't a Fleetwood Mac album, it was titled LBCM - whose choice was that? Azoff? HK/SL Management?

I thought we all knew and agreed that Buck/Vie was a FM album, even though Lindsey and Christine both denied it and claimed it was actually a “duets” record (that had no duets ) which just happened to feature John and Mick as well; and that it was only after Lindsey was fired that he acknowledged it was meant to have been a FM album all along. Maybe it’s just semantics, though. Personally I consider any album in which 4 of the 5 band members are playing on it to be a FM album, no matter whose idea it was to call it Buck/Vie. I also think that if Lindsey hadn’t been fired and had toured with FM, they would not have played any of the songs from that album live, or the EP or Say You Will.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by bwboy

I thought we all knew and agreed that Buck/Vie was a FM album, even though Lindsey and Christine both denied it and claimed it was actually a “duets” record (that had no duets ) which just happened to feature John and Mick as well; and that it was only after Lindsey was fired that he acknowledged it was meant to have been a FM album all along. Maybe it’s just semantics, though. Personally I consider any album in which 4 of the 5 band members are playing on it to be a FM album, no matter whose idea it was to call it Buck/Vie. I also think that if Lindsey hadn’t been fired and had toured with FM, they would not have played any of the songs from that album live, or the EP or Say You Will.

Hopefully they would've at least done a couple. In My World and Red Sun would be my two picks.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by bwboy

I thought we all knew and agreed that Buck/Vie was a FM album, even though Lindsey and Christine both denied it and claimed it was actually a “duets” record (that had no duets ) which just happened to feature John and Mick as well; and that it was only after Lindsey was fired that he acknowledged it was meant to have been a FM album all along. Maybe it’s just semantics, though. Personally I consider any album in which 4 of the 5 band members are playing on it to be a FM album, no matter whose idea it was to call it Buck/Vie. I also think that if Lindsey hadn’t been fired and had toured with FM, they would not have played any of the songs from that album live, or the EP or Say You Will.

Lindsey and Christine I believe were likely told by Azoff, Stubner, and Stevie's management not to title the album with Fleetwood Mac.

I also think that if Lindsey hadn't been fired the setlist for 2018 would have been more rewarding for Stevie fans and would have had Angel and perhaps Crystal and Sweet Girl in the setlist. And the people who recorded the songs together would have been playing them live on that tour.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Lindsey and Christine I believe were likely told by Azoff, Stubner, and Stevie's management not to title the album with Fleetwood Mac.

I also think that if Lindsey hadn't been fired the setlist for 2018 would have been more rewarding for Stevie fans and would have had Angel and perhaps Crystal and Sweet Girl in the setlist. And the people who recorded the songs together would have been playing them live on that tour.

So much for "Fleetwood Mac" being a band with John and Mick.

[dougl]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

So much for "Fleetwood Mac" being a band with John and Mick.

Seems to me that BuckVie was finally the Fleetwood Mac that Mick envisioned back in 1974 when he wanted Lindsey alone to join the band. Such a great record. Swan song and full circle.

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by dougl

Seems to me that BuckVie was finally the Fleetwood Mac that Mick envisioned back in 1974 when he wanted Lindsey alone to join the band. Such a great record. Swan song and full circle.

Wow, that is full circle. Hadn’t thought of it like that.

[elle]

Originally Posted by dougl

Seems to me that BuckVie was finally the Fleetwood Mac that Mick envisioned back in 1974 when he wanted Lindsey alone to join the band. Such a great record. Swan song and full circle.

what an apt observation - love this!!

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by dougl

Seems to me that BuckVie was finally the Fleetwood Mac that Mick envisioned back in 1974 when he wanted Lindsey alone to join the band. Such a great record. Swan song and full circle.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by dougl

Seems to me that BuckVie was finally the Fleetwood Mac that Mick envisioned back in 1974 when he wanted Lindsey alone to join the band. Such a great record. Swan song and full circle.

That's true. Mick even recognized that in some way, when he wrote:
Later Stevie would give me a hard time. "Aaabhh, if I hadn't been with Lindsey you wouldn't have wanted me." And like that. All I can say is that I remembered this guitar player but couldn't remember his name.

Now, if Stevie had not joined the band, the history of Fleetwood Mac would have been completely different. Same as if Christine hadn't in 1970 (in that case I don't think it would have even gotten to the moment when Mick met Lindsey).

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Lindsey and Christine I believe were likely told by Azoff, Stubner, and Stevie's management not to title the album with Fleetwood Mac.

I also think that if Lindsey hadn't been fired the setlist for 2018 would have been more rewarding for Stevie fans and would have had Angel and perhaps Crystal and Sweet Girl in the setlist. And the people who recorded the songs together would have been playing them live on that tour.

F*ck Irving and the rest... and I mean F*CK THEM.

Power plays ruined the end of the band. The guilty should suffer. Hopefully karma's a bitch.

[Mr Scarrott]

If they couldn't label it an FM album, it's a shame they didn't have the cojones to call it Buckingham Fleetwood McVie.

Yes, for a "duets" album, there wasn't really that much duetting.

With LBCM, much as I would have liked to have heard Stevie on backing vocals on some of the songs (and on Red Sun for example I kid myself into believeing she's actually there), I do feel that unless she were to have produced something really great, that five Stevie songs would have made the album much less cogent and enjoyable than it actually was.

So in an alternate universe, if Stevie had actually stormed out of FM when LBCM was being recorded and we had got a Lindsey/Christine/John/Mick final tour as FM, with the FM moniker on LBCM, I would have preferred that to the version of the band we did get...

But money talks, as they say.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

F*ck Irving and the rest... and I mean F*CK THEM.

Power plays ruined the end of the band. The guilty should suffer. Hopefully karma's a bitch.

Once Stevie got the offer to do a Vegas residency in 2005, that's when the whole entity FM stopped being an artist and a jukebox act. I'm not sure why Stevie didn't have Lindsey fired in 2008 after her solo tour because Lindsey wanted to make a FM album that year.

There are artists who proceed with art as the priority and not touring. U2, Bruce (with the exception of his first Broadway run), Ann Wilson, and Mellencamp. Stevie used to be this way but her advisors are like Colonel Parker.