Lindsey on Conans podcast

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

They never offered the job to just Lindsey! As pointed out countless times, anything they’ve said since 1997 has been a embellished. And, AGAIN, here’s what the two guys who actually had the phone call said about it:





So, two accounts from the two men who actually had the conversation told over twenty years apart and they’re identical. Furthermore, you’ll notice that the next phone call was to Mickey Shapiro to draw up contractual paperwork, not the McVies, so the whole idiotic “Christine had to like Stevie” storyline was crap, too.

We, specifically you and me, have had this discussion several times already, so you know the FACTS, and most of us old timers have mentioned numerous times that they started romanticizing and embellishing their story starting with The Dance, so I don’t get why you keep referencing something you know isn’t accurate by someone known to not be a reliable source of information?

Ok, roger that.

I shared what Stevie said. I don't believe her on the Lindsey said he wouldn't join without me since she is what you said "not a reliable source of information." But I do believe her when she said that Lindsey absolutely got her towards Fleetwood Mac, and I don't mean "you've got to take my girlfriend too." I meant Mick heard Lindsey's work on Frozen Love which led to Mick asking Keith Olsen about Lindsey (not Stevie), then Keith brought up Stevie and then the offer for them both to join happened.

Or is there a fact where Mick heard Frozen Love and said I want the lady who sang on that album and the guitar player on the album first and it wasn't that he said he wanted the guitar player first?

Also, I think you believe Lindsey was fired for his comment about The Classic Festivals and that he wanted to start a FM tour later and play solo dates in between FM concerts. Stevie said after 2018 that she wasn't willing to work with him anymore. What do you think the worst thing Lindsey has said to Stevie in recent years was? "You have no singing voice"?

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

But I do believe her when she said that Lindsey absolutely got her towards Fleetwood Mac,

Nobody’s ever disputed that Mick called Kieth to have him ask Lindsey to join the band. Bob quit and the band had just gotten an advance. However, Mick didn’t know anything about Lindsey beyond he was a good guitarist. Once the equation was explained, Mick was on board.

Or is there a fact where Mick heard Frozen Love and said I want the lady who sang on that album and the guitar player on the album first and it wasn't that he said he wanted the guitar player first?

Not really a fair comment, since Mick’s only context for what he was listening to was that it had been recorded in the studio he was scouting. He briefly met Lindsey, so being able to put a face with the guitarist also helped, but that’s all Mick knew.

Fleetwood Mac was founded by Peter Green, it was Mick’s idea to add Danny Kirwan, the band had had a revolving door of guitarists, and his brother-in-law was Eric Clapton. Mick’s natural inclination would have been to focus on the guitar player, especially since it was clear Bob Welch was burning out.

What do you think the worst thing Lindsey has said to Stevie in recent years was?

Probably “I have no interest in doing a Buckingham Nicks reunion.” And, I think he stopped schmoozing her once Christine came back, assuming (as most of us did) that Stevie would be excited about making a Fleetwood Mac album with the full lineup. I think there was mutual bitterness surrounding LBCM. I also think they had very different visions for the 2018 tour.

[BigAl84]

Oh…I never thought of that. Let’s say history was different and rehearsals for the 2018 tour start with Lindsey….Stevie walks in wanting to do Free Falling. I’m sure that would have gone over like a lead balloon with Lindsey.

Stevie’s take on the Buckingham Nicks reunion was sorta odd. She was all about reforming the original Buckingham Nicks band and recording a bunch of lost tracks to tack onto the album as bonus tracks, but he couldn’t get her to participate in 3 songs for a Fleetwood Mac album and tour. Really weird rationale.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

Oh…I never thought of that. Let’s say history was different and rehearsals for the 2018 tour start with Lindsey….Stevie walks in wanting to do Free Falling. I’m sure that would have gone over like a lead balloon with Lindsey.

Yeah. He strikes me as more of a “Walls” type.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Nobody’s ever disputed that Mick called Kieth to have him ask Lindsey to join the band. Bob quit and the band had just gotten an advance. However, Mick didn’t know anything about Lindsey beyond he was a good guitarist. Once the equation was explained, Mick was on board.


Not really a fair comment, since Mick’s only context for what he was listening to was that it had been recorded in the studio he was scouting. He briefly met Lindsey, so being able to put a face with the guitarist also helped, but that’s all Mick knew.

Fleetwood Mac was founded by Peter Green, it was Mick’s idea to add Danny Kirwan, the band had had a revolving door of guitarists, and his brother-in-law was Eric Clapton. Mick’s natural inclination would have been to focus on the guitar player, especially since it was clear Bob Welch was burning out.


Probably “I have no interest in doing a Buckingham Nicks reunion.” And, I think he stopped schmoozing her once Christine came back, assuming (as most of us did) that Stevie would be excited about making a Fleetwood Mac album with the full lineup. I think there was mutual bitterness surrounding LBCM. I also think they had very different visions for the 2018 tour.

If Fleetwood Mac didn’t have a singer in 1974, Mick would have recalled the Buckingham Nicks album and said I want that lady from the album and not the guy.

Re: the 2018 setlist…do you think Lindsey wanted to do the same setlist as OWTS or to do new songs like they did on Live 2013 and then release an EP or album later?

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

If Fleetwood Mac didn’t have a singer in 1974, Mick would have recalled the Buckingham Nicks album and said I want that lady from the album and not the guy.

Re: the 2018 setlist…do you think Lindsey wanted to do the same setlist as OWTS or to do new songs like they did on Live 2013 and then release an EP or album later?

It was amazing that they did 8 new songs on the BuckVie tour. I think we know who was to blame for the stale set lists. Old Goatsy.

[BigAl84]

Honestly, I don't think Lindsey ever had a chance to discuss anything pertaining to setlists for the 2018 tour. I'm pretty sure I have my facts straight here, but after the disagreement about the timing of the tour he (Lindsey) did sign the agreement to do the tour - which is why he has able to sue. He caved and agreed to the tour which wasn't what Goatsy wanted. Had he been in rehearsals, then sure setlist conversations would have occurred.

It's fascinating that of all the narratives to come out of the 2018 showdown, this whole notion that Lindsey held the lock and key for all Fleetwood Mac tour set lists still continues to pop up. I mean, how many times has Stevie mentioned in pre-tour press interviews that they have to play the hits? Lindsey made comments about not wanting to open with The Chain AGAIN for the 2009 tour.

[soul_drifter333]

Yes, that was my impression as well. I think the others had already signed on so they were stuck touring or lose a lot of money by being in breach of the contract. However, they could have delayed the tour to work out the issues, but they obviously decided not to. In the end, they delayed the tour so that they new guys could rehearse, so the whole thing was silly, especially for grown adults. And I don't think his firing (such an ugly word ) had much, if anything, to do with the events of the award ceremony. Something else was going on behind the scenes. The other ridiculously stupid thing is the band, management, and high powered lawyers didn't bother to check that the 5 of them were equal participants in the partnership that was created after 75 and probably renewed in 97.

Originally Posted by BigAl84

Honestly, I don't think Lindsey ever had a chance to discuss anything pertaining to setlists for the 2018 tour. I'm pretty sure I have my facts straight here, but after the disagreement about the timing of the tour he (Lindsey) did sign the agreement to do the tour - which is why he has able to sue. He caved and agreed to the tour which wasn't what Goatsy wanted. Had he been in rehearsals, then sure setlist conversations would have occurred.

It's fascinating that of all the narratives to come out of the 2018 showdown, this whole notion that Lindsey held the lock and key for all Fleetwood Mac tour set lists still continues to pop up. I mean, how many times has Stevie mentioned in pre-tour press interviews that they have to play the hits? Lindsey made comments about not wanting to open with The Chain AGAIN for the 2009 tour.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

Honestly, I don't think Lindsey ever had a chance to discuss anything pertaining to setlists for the 2018 tour.

Mick did that interview in Rolling Stone in 2017 where he said that he and Stevie had that listening party and that Stevie wanted to do songs that had been forgotten. He said something about he felt that Lindsey and Stevie should do something from Buckingham Nicks and that Christine should do a blues song, so it was easy to read between the lines that he was talking the non-Rumours band material.

but after the disagreement about the timing of the tour he (Lindsey) did sign the agreement to do the tour - which is why he has able to sue.

He never signed off on it. He even said as much in one of the interviews. However, in California, all that’s needed is a verbal agreement, which is how he was able to sue.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

Honestly, I don't think Lindsey ever had a chance to discuss anything pertaining to setlists for the 2018 tour. I'm pretty sure I have my facts straight here, but after the disagreement about the timing of the tour he (Lindsey) did sign the agreement to do the tour - which is why he has able to sue. He caved and agreed to the tour which wasn't what Goatsy wanted. Had he been in rehearsals, then sure setlist conversations would have occurred.

It's fascinating that of all the narratives to come out of the 2018 showdown, this whole notion that Lindsey held the lock and key for all Fleetwood Mac tour set lists still continues to pop up. I mean, how many times has Stevie mentioned in pre-tour press interviews that they have to play the hits? Lindsey made comments about not wanting to open with The Chain AGAIN for the 2009 tour.

Had Lindsey folded to StevieÂ’s demand to do pre-White Album stuff and no new material AND he just didnÂ’t even speak at MusiCares exactly 6 years ago, I think this would have been the set.

1. DonÂ’t Stop
2. The Chain
3. Dreams
4. I DonÂ’t Want To Know
5. IsnÂ’t It Midnight
6. Black Magic Woman (Stevie on vocal, Neale Heywood on lead but still in the background)
7. Second Hand News
8. Tell Me All The Things You Do (with Stevie instead of her backstage as she was in 2018)
9. Angel (Tusk song)
10. Hold Me (already done on LBCM Tour)
11. Rhiannon
12. Say You Love Me
13. Big Love
14. Landslide
15. Hypnotized
16. Little Lies
17. Station Man (with Stevie)
18. Over My Head (Mick on cocktail)
19. Straight Back (Mick on cocktail)
20. You Make Loving Fun
21. Stop Messin (Lindsey on vocal)
22. World Turning
Encore
23. Tusk
24. Crystal

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Had Lindsey folded to StevieÂ’s demand to do pre-White Album stuff and no new material AND he just didnÂ’t even speak at MusiCares exactly 6 years ago, I think this would have been the set.

1. DonÂ’t Stop
2. The Chain
3. Dreams
4. I DonÂ’t Want To Know
5. IsnÂ’t It Midnight
6. Black Magic Woman (Stevie on vocal, Neale Heywood on lead but still in the background)
7. Second Hand News
8. Tell Me All The Things You Do (with Stevie instead of her backstage as she was in 2018)
9. Angel (Tusk song)
10. Hold Me (already done on LBCM Tour)
11. Rhiannon
12. Say You Love Me
13. Big Love
14. Landslide
15. Hypnotized
16. Little Lies
17. Station Man (with Stevie)
18. Over My Head (Mick on cocktail)
19. Straight Back (Mick on cocktail)
20. You Make Loving Fun
21. Stop Messin (Lindsey on vocal)
22. World Turning
Encore
23. Tusk
24. Crystal

There is zero chance of this setlist ever happening with Lindsey. I think he would agree to do Oh Well and he might even be on board with playing on Stevie doing the BMW cover and Chris doing something from her pre-75 catalog. But there’s no way Lindsey was singing Hypnotized, Tell Me…, and Stop Messin’ Around and not doing Go Your Own Way. Also, Stevie seems to not even acknowledge the existence of I Don’t Want to Know.

I think Lindsey would have 100% been on board with broadening the setlist for a 2018 tour, he just would push for the 75-87, 97+ stuff that they did together. Look no further than the BuckVie tour where they did unearthed Wish You Were Here for its live debut 35 years after it was released and never played the most obvious LB/CM song: Don’t Stop (and World Turning for that matter).

You could make a great set with some key warhorses and rarities like Brown Eyes, Angel, Walk a Thin Line, That’s Alright, Book of Love, Wish You Were Here, Tango in the Night, Isn’t it Midnight, and hell, I hate this song, but I think a retooled, modernized, and less whassamattahbabayy version of When I See You Again would work.

Putting the stale setlist on Lindsey is laughable.

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

If Fleetwood Mac didn’t have a singer in 1974, Mick would have recalled the Buckingham Nicks album and said I want that lady from the album and not the guy.

Isn't that sorta a giant assumption? After Bob left, they were down to Christine on vocals. As others have stated (I think) Mick always said he overheard Lindsey guitar part blasting through the speakers in the studio control room. It's possible he didn't hear any of Stevie's vocals at that exact point in time, at that very moment.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

Isn't that sorta a giant assumption? After Bob left, they were down to Christine on vocals. As others have stated (I think) Mick always said he overheard Lindsey guitar part blasting through the speakers in the studio control room. It's possible he didn't hear any of Stevie's vocals at that exact point in time, at that very moment.

Mick wrote in his book he did hear Stevie, too. The way he tells it sounds like a dramatic license to me. However long ago a ledgie mentioned the song Stevie was rehearsing at that moment. It is not mentioned in the book so it could be another source of this same episode.

I thought the guitar sounded great, but my attention had been caught by what I saw through the thick glass that separated Sound City's two recording studios. It was a girl, rehearsing a vocal in the next studio. A piano track was playing, and I could faintly hear her say something to the engineer about maybe wanting to have bird sounds somewhere in the mix of the song she was working on. I even remember what she was wearing a long, sort of Indian cotton skirt and a little blouse, real pretty. In fact, I thought she was one of the loveliest and most attractive girls I'd ever seen, but I somehow managed to remain nonchalant as I blithely asked Keith Olsen,
"Who's that pretty girl in there?"

Her name, he said, was Stevie Nicks.

But yes in these forums are lot of threads based on assumptions, speculations, or theories of 70s facts based in members behaviors of 2018 onwards. I'm not surprised some day Stevie will be blamed for the global warming or Lindsey for the 2020 pandemic.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Villavic

But yes in these forums are lot of threads based on assumptions, speculations, or theories of 70s facts based in members behaviors of 2018 onwards. I'm not surprised some day Stevie will be blamed for the global warming or Lindsey for the 2020 pandemic.

Oh, it's coming. I'm not even sure how much I trust THEIR OWN recollections of things. 50 years ago is a long time, especially when you were in a haze at the time. Not to mention that Old Goatsy(I'm so happy that Goatsy is catching on ) is completely delusional.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by Villavic

Mick wrote in his book he did hear Stevie, too. The way he tells it sounds like a dramatic license to me. However long ago a ledgie mentioned the song Stevie was rehearsing at that moment. It is not mentioned in the book so it could be another source of this same episode.

I thought the guitar sounded great, but my attention had been caught by what I saw through the thick glass that separated Sound City's two recording studios. It was a girl, rehearsing a vocal in the next studio. A piano track was playing, and I could faintly hear her say something to the engineer about maybe wanting to have bird sounds somewhere in the mix of the song she was working on. I even remember what she was wearing a long, sort of Indian cotton skirt and a little blouse, real pretty. In fact, I thought she was one of the loveliest and most attractive girls I'd ever seen, but I somehow managed to remain nonchalant as I blithely asked Keith Olsen,
"Who's that pretty girl in there?"

Her name, he said, was Stevie Nicks.

But yes in these forums are lot of threads based on assumptions, speculations, or theories of 70s facts based in members behaviors of 2018 onwards. I'm not surprised some day Stevie will be blamed for the global warming or Lindsey for the 2020 pandemic.

Yes, Mick heard Stevie. He really asked Keith about Lindsey so he could get Stevie because he thought her singing was above and beyond the guitar sound on Frozen Love!