(A Fairly Exhaustive) Timeline

[dino]

Originally Posted by Norton

As listed on Dinkys world

http://www.dinkysworld.com/fleetwood%20mac%20gigs.htm

Hope this helps...

Thanks for the Dinly link!
Allowed me to clear up a few mysteries.
The list seems slightly incomplete, though.

[snoot]

Originally Posted by Moz

Peter filling in after Jeremy left: Liable for the remaining shows on the tour they convinced Peter Green to help finish the tour. He brought along his friend, Nigel Watson, who played the congas (twenty-five years later Green and Watson would collaborate again to form the Peter Green Splinter Group).
Is this true?

Sharksfan and Norton sum this up quite sufficiently. Peter and Nigel were playing in 'Berdoo the same day Davis flew them in from London. And with less than an hour of practice to get to know the KH set!

Originally Posted by dino

Thanks for the Dinly link! Allowed me to clear up a few mysteries. The list seems slightly incomplete, though.

Curious, but in what ways do you notice?

This did catch my attention though:

1969 De Lane Lea recording
April 18 :: May 6 :: May 15 :: May 18 :: May 31 :: June 6:: June 8 :: July 2-4:: Aug 3

Could a chunk of the above be the dates of the TPO sessions?

And of course 1968 Oct 30
"CBS w Mike Vernon & Mike Ross" ... not sure if there was any leftover material carried from here to TPO to boot. Don't think Albatross was recorded this late however -- though it was released late in '68 and charted in early '69. Hmmm...

Finally 1970 De Lane Lea recording
April 14 - 20 :: April 28 - 30 ...

What does the good book Hjort have to say on this sharkman? Possibly the Manalishi farewell?

[sharksfan2000]

Originally Posted by snoot

This did catch my attention though:

1969 De Lane Lea recording
April 18 :: May 6 :: May 15 :: May 18 :: May 31 :: June 6:: June 8 :: July 2-4:: Aug 3

Could a chunk of the above be the dates of the TPO sessions?

And of course 1968 Oct 30
"CBS w Mike Vernon & Mike Ross" ... not sure if there was any leftover material carried from here to TPO to boot. Don't think Albatross was recorded this late however -- though it was released late in '68 and charted in early '69. Hmmm...

Finally 1970 De Lane Lea recording
April 14 - 20 :: April 28 - 30 ...

What does the good book Hjort have to say on this sharkman? Possibly the Manalishi farewell?

Hjort has something to say about almost everything Just to make clear what the focus of his book is - he's following John Mayall, Eric Clapton, Peter Green, and Mick Taylor in great detail from the beginning of 1965 to the end of 1970. That's why he has almost nothing to say about Fleetwood Mac after Green departed. Hjort has this to say about those particular recording dates:

30 October 1968: The band (minus Kirwan) recorded Spencer's mock radio show "The Milton Schlitz Show" that was supposed to be for an upcoming EP, but went unreleased until The Vaudeville Years discs in 1998. Hjort lists "Albatross" being recorded at CBS Studios on 6 October, and possibly further work being done on it there during the week of 14-18 October.

Those various spring & summer 1969 dates: of those, Hjort lists 18 April, 15 May, 31 May, 8 June, and 2-4 July for recording tracks for Then Play On. He adds mixing TPO at the studio on 12 July, and recording tracks for Spencer's solo LP on 25 July (and also 30 August and either 22 or 23 September). Hjort notes the 3 August date was for recording both parts of "Oh Well". Also, he lists 18 September as the date for recording Green's "Fast Talkin' Woman Blues" (an update of his earlier "Drifting") and Kirwan's "Tell Me From the Start", both of which showed up on The Vaudeville Years.

14-20 April / 28-30 April 1970: Snoot, you're correct about "The Green Manalishi" being recording at this time. Hjort writes that it was recorded on the 14th (28 takes!). "World In Harmony" was recorded on the 16th-17th (a take from the 16th was used for the master), and on the 17th Kirwan also recorded two new instrumentals. More work was done on these two instrumental tracks on the 20th - one of these was later released on The Vaudeville Years as "Farewell" (the predecessor to "Earl Grey" from Kiln House), while it seems the second one has never been released. Hjort does not mention any De Lane Lea recordings later in April, only a BBC session on the 27th, where "Sandy Mary", "World In Harmony", "Only You", "Tiger", and "Leaving Town Blues" were recorded. Hjort does mention Green recording for a solo album with Martin Birch at De Lane Lea in early May, but that these recordings were never finished and never released.

There certainly could have been more recording dates than Hjort lists...and possibly Dawson includes some dates that were postponed or cancelled? I don't know the sources for all the info, but presumably Dawson was using his notes or journals and Hjort was using studio logs...but there are bound to be inaccuracies in all of this.

[snoot]

Originally Posted by sharksfan2000

Hjort has something to say about almost everything

You know I'm getting to like that bible of yours as a go-to reference for the PGFM era. A lot of minutiae not always easy to find elsewhere. I always appreciate that kind of attention to details.

Hjort lists "Albatross" being recorded at CBS Studios on 6 October, and possibly further work being done on it there during the week of 14-18 October.

Ah now we have the precise date. That dating makes sense of course. Important too, as Albatross was the beginning of everything that the Mac would ever be. To me that track, coming when and how it did, created a focal point for everything the Mac was to become, right up until the present. This was the beginning of Green stepping out and away from the blues and embracing a far greater reach, and it was also the beginning of some of their strident blues fans questioning the "integrity" and "purity" of the Mac machine (well before TPO and KH). English Rose and Then Play On simply took this fusion that much further, and laid the groundwork for the rock and pop tendencies that followed (helped mightily by Kirwan's injections during their formative years). Albatross also gave them their first and only #1 chart hit (UK), until Dreams came along some seven years later (USA). [Moz take note]

Great to see the TPO session dates confirmed to boot, and so many from what make up the The Vaudeville Years. Top notch.

Hjort does mention Green recording for a solo album with Martin Birch at De Lane Lea in early May, but that these recordings were never finished and never released.

Peter and Danny were in the midst of putting together an instrumental project, that is often accredited to one or the other - and sometimes both. This was to have been the follow up to the Then Play On production, and had barely gotten off the ground. Whether lyrics were going to be added later to some of this material I do not know, but it was something of a compromise package partly embracing where Peter was wanting to go with more free form, and Danny's desire to keep things a bit more reined in. Those tapes may still exist somewhere, but have yet to see the light of day. They may have disintegrated by now for all we know also, or been misplaced to parts unknown.

There certainly could have been more recording dates than Hjort lists...and possibly Dawson includes some dates that were postponed or cancelled? I don't know the sources for all the info, but presumably Dawson was using his notes or journals and Hjort was using studio logs...but there are bound to be inaccuracies in all of this.

Showing wisdom beyond your years my friend. That always goes without saying in such reconstructions, even when the parties involved strive to be accurate. Always best to have multiple sources though, to help keep the other(s) honest and more in check. As for Dinky, he was right there alongside Vernon, Ross and Birch as a consultant for many of those early projects (English Rose, Then Play On and Kiln House to name three).

Great find by Norton btw.

[snoot]

Originally Posted by Moz

Nah, I wasn't going to add that to the timeline, I was just curious about it!

Well if you're referring to creating new threads, some of those ideas may have merit.

Btw here's another take for your CM enlistment collection Moz.

MOJO Magazine
August 2004
As told to James McNair

It began as a marriage of convenience and ended with an earthquake. This month we say “Hi!” and “Bye!” with Christine McVie and Fleetwood Mac *

HELLO
August 1970

I’d married John McVie and just prior to that Peter [Green] had left the band. That devastated them, but Mick [Fleetwood], John, Danny Kirwan and Jeremy Spencer were trying to carry on as a four-piece. After Chicken Shack, I’d had a brief skirmish with a solo career, and then become a housewife. Fleetwood Mac were rehearsing for the album Kiln House and all us wives, kids and pets were living there, too. It was a rambling old oast house; you can see it in the pin sketch I drew for the album cover.

The band decided that they needed to augment their sound. And because I was living with them, I knew the songs. One night at dinner they said, “How about joining the band, Chris? We’re desperate!” There was no audition or anything; it was a case of them liking my voice and my keyboard-playing and knowing what they were getting.

Ten days later we were performing in New Orleans at a club, The Warehouse. I’d never been to the US before and I felt jet-lagged and under-rehearsed. It was nerve-wracking and frenetic, and I was in a band with my idols and I’d married one of them and our marriage was very happy at that stage.

[snoot]

Hello Jb

Here is what I remember from spring 1970 Fleetwood Mac with Danny as lead guitarist/songwriter rehearsed "Kiln House" at the house in Alton and then recorded the album at De Lane Lea with Martin Birch. I think they did do some recording at the house with the Stones mobile. I left Fleetwood Mac during this rehearsal to work with the Byrds and they hadn't started recording when I *took off* for Los Angeles.

Here is a link to some shows from My era with Fleetwood Mac. More shows to be posted at some point during the year.
http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/c...catalog/5.html

and here is some articles to check out
http://crawdaddy.wolfgangsvault.com/...fe+Is+the+Road

Have fun with the blog.

All the best,

(|:-{Dinky Dawson

[dino]

There's an interview where Peter states that the legendary Texan guitarist Johnny Winter recorded guitar parts for "Green Manalishi", but they weren't used. This was probably in the states, as they completed the song there? I find this interesting.