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There are people who have replied to my thread "There will never be another Fleetwood Mac album" and "This is the best performance of Stand Back" flaming me for using a shorthand. I'm supposedly the world's worst because I left out the words "In my opinion" when I wrote my thread titles. How I express myself in writing is my business and the Ledge does not exist for members to criticise other members' poor written expression. It is not just directed at me. I see other Ledgies heavily criticised by people regularly. Why? Person B disagrees with Person A, so Person A says you're wrong I'm right please change your opinion. This has to stop. It stifles freedom of expression and it stifles debate. It is a problem endemic to The Ledge. |
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you were successful, and i'm sure i was not the only one!
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Ok. Step right up, people. Bring us your boyhood Lincoln photos and we'll tell you if it looks like Abe. I have tools to measure the angle of his jawline and the distance between his eyes to compare to later photos of the president.
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News Corp's newspapers and news websites are aggressively conservative, almost right-wing. We had a centre-left Labor government, last year before the federal election The Daily Telegraph ran the headline Finally You Can...KICK THIS MOB OUT. Fairfax Media is moving towards being more of an online business. Their websites and newspapers tend to showcase the views of mainly left-wing opinion columnists. The group think is all too familiar to me... Myself, I am a card-carrying member of the Australian Labor Party. But that doesn't mean I always, no questions asked agree with my party's policies. Maybe 67% of time I do agree, but when in government the ALP have done some things I certainly wouldn't have done. |
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Ricky fell off my radar years ago. I completely forgot that odd obscure gem.
Wasn't this thread initially about Richard Dashut's blog? It seems it derailed and devolved into a Ledgie squabble. But anyway...I finally was able to figure out how to post a question to Richard. (I'm social media disabled). I thanked and praised him for what he was doing, and then asked him a question about another artist he has produced - Matthew Sweet. He is sort of flies under the radar but he's great singer/songwriter/guitar player who has been around since the late eighties. He and the fantastic and seemingly ageless Suzanna Hoffs (of the Bangles) have, thus far, released three volumes of "Under the Covers." Each volume features songs from a particular decade- the 60s, 70s and 80s. Their musical references are impeccable. The 70s album covers Second Hand News, and the 80s album covers Lindsey's solo song Trouble. Richard produced some of his earlier albums, but had no involvement with these cover albums. Cover albums can be cringe-worth and uneven. But these albums have a lot of integrity in honoring the artists. They sound amazing.
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I love Lindsey, but sometimes I think he's given (or claims) a little too much credit on those earlier albums. I recall Keith Olsen saying one of the things he did in the early years with Buckingham Nicks was work with Lindsey to try and get him to understand how to work with other musicians and folks in the studio….not his strong suit, at least not then. I think LB is a genius, but I think he can also get too insular, too self-referential and just like Stevie benefits from having an editor (but won't see it) Lindsey benefits from having another production opinion in the studio to keep him balanced (but doesn't see it). When I read Ken's book that was what I thought he was getting at-- that Lindsey was sooo into his own opinions that it was challenging to work with him. Also, like Stevie, I think fame did go to Lindsey's head for a few years…..with everyone telling you how brilliant you are how could it not go to your head? I think he, like Stevie, got a bit hard to handle with the ego for a time. None of that bothers me as a fan, though, because I don't think any of them are perfect, and I am kind of fascinated to know what really went on behind the public facade and what it really took for these people to keep this band going all these years. Despite what they may say at times it was definitely a hot mess and totally dysfunctional. As for Stevie being sweet and nice 'back then' implying that changed, Richard has said the exact same thing. Early in his blog he was pretty honest about how fame went to all their heads and how hard it was to go from being someone's best buddy to having to make an appointment with all the entourage just to get to talk to her. He's tempered that a little over time saying that when someone gets huge and famous and all these people start wanting things from you, you do develop a shell just to protect yourself but that deep down if she trusts you she opens up and that same sweet person is there. |
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Since Christine is the most disinterested party, I tend to believe what she says about Lindsey and Dreams. Of course, he worked on it with the other producers, but I believe his initial reaction was probably along the lines of what Christine said it was. I think that's why the band has given him credit for its sound. Of course, I'm sure he thinks he's amazing himself, but in this case, he wasn't even the first one giving himself credit.
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after a while, it seems maybe in the 80s and certainly the 90s, after waiting for at least a decade to actually at least be given a nod by the rest of the band for what he actually did on those early albums, and not getting any, LB started talking about all that himself. it is sad that nobody else did, for so long - if what he, and Christine, and Richard say he was doing on those albums is true - and i don't see why especially Christine but i guess also Richard would be lying. and now Mick has finally been saying that too for the last few years, and also looks like he tried to make up for those early non-credits in his new book. now, i'm just piecing all this together after the fact and there may be people here who have corrections on any and all of the above.
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Maybe some of it is legitimate… that is, maybe at the time the band really didn't see or appreciate how big his influence on the sound was, and only in retrospect did they come to recognize it. I suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle-- at the time he had a lot more vision and impact on the music than the others recognized, and at the same time maybe he is/was so focused on how much credit he *wasn't* getting and being hurt by that that he didn't see how much or how important the inputs were by other people. Both things surely have some validity. |
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also, something that keeps being brought up by a few people lately and made me think - most of LB's character seems to be publicly defined by 2 of his ex-girlfriends. both of whom keep going back and forth on how horrible vs how gorgeous / great he was or is. while i tend to believe some of both the good and the bad they say, it does not look like the most objective picture of anybody could be painted by their exes. something like recent description from Leo Sawyer (i think) of Lindsey back in the day always bailing his friends and going out of his way to pick them up and drive them wherever they needed to go cause they were too drunk to do it themselves paints a different side of his character.
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I think by the time Tusk came out and certainly while preparing for Mirage, the band, they were all crediting Lindsey a lot for their sound and their production decisions, be they good or bad. In 1982, even John was saying to Billboard that "without Lindsey in the studio, it was difficult to continue work." 1982 was the same year that Christine said, "Dare I say this with him present? I have a lot of respect for this man; I don't really imagine anybody else being able to do what he does with my songs." And Stevie did that whole thing about Lindsey putting the magic into her songs and she didn't know how to thank him other than going up to him and giving him 10% ... she said that in 1980. That was the same interview where she called him dragon boy. Last edited by michelej1; 12-21-2014 at 02:18 PM.. |
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