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Setlist thing I only saw as a fan speculation.
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I just had a happy little fantasy. I imagine Lindsey sitting in his living room writing a song on his guitar, feeling relieved that he won't have to put up with the nastiness of Fleetwood Mac anymore. His stress level is close to zero! He's thinking that he's already got plenty of money, and it's not as if nobody will buy a solo album or attend a solo tour -- many people will -- probably more because of all this publicity.
He gives a passing thought to Christine, feeling wistful and sorry he won't have a chance to work with her any more, but then he thinks about Stevie, and the thought that he won't have to work with ever again gives him a feeling of deep contentment. He sends John a text, hey man, let's keep in touch, and John texts him a big thumbs up. And he's thinking, give it some time (a couple of months) and maybe he'll get in touch with Christine about some future collaborations. In my little fantasy, life is very good for Lindsey right now. He doesn't have to put on an act for the fans any more. Now he can be himself, and he can create new music without having to answer to the dysfunction of the Fleetwood Mac machine.
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He just did a tour with 80% of a new album being played live. Fleetwood Mac hasn’t done that since Rumours!!
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I can’t see Lindsey not wanting to play obscure tunes (IKINW, the SYW songs) but I can see him objecting to playing/singing on songs from the pre-75 years. They had the one off tour in ‘09 with Oh Well back but ever since The Dance they have eschewed Oh Well and anything else. |
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It’s just music.
And while it’s hugely disappointing, everyone will be fine. These are all adults at the end of very long hugely successful careers. I’m just happy they’re all still making music. Hiring Mike Campbell is the most rock solid insurance policy a band could ever buy into. The Tom Petty fan base is thrilled. Maybe we should keep an open mind. If I made a list of the best live shows I’ve seen in my life, Heartbreakers shows would appear several times on the list. I’m sad and disappointed, but looking forward to seeing my second favorite guitarist on stage with Mick and John. |
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All I can do is laugh at that one.
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You know that If Tom was alive, he’d be appalled. Yet I fully expect Lindsey’s name will now be replaced w Toms in all the endless stories from the stage,
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I don’t know.
There’s a lot of speculation going on. I’m just going to trust that they all came to this decision as adults, just as they did in 87. It sucks for us now, but it’s sort of like offering opinions when the neighbors down the street are going through a divorce. Not really for us to judge and as I said before, they don’t owe fans anything and they aren’t beholden to us. Nobody is saving lives here or keeping democracies from teetering off the edge. It’s just a band. Not sure if I’ll go see them, but I hope some new and interesting music comes out of it. I think since I lived through the first Lindsey departure, I have to keep an open mind. As disappointed as I am... |
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Unlike 1987, I'm not sticking around to watch this train wreck. I've already seen it. People who don't think history repeats itself are deluding themselves. This will be a disaster.
At least in 1987 it was plausible to think that Fleetwood Mac still had a future and had opportunities to expand creatively. But now? What, have they taken so much drugs that they actually think they are immortal? And seriously, will they allow Finn or Campbell to dictate matters? Lindsey's Mac succeeded because he was in Mick's terms a "martinet" who compelled everybody to get things done properly his way. Yes he was a monomaniac control freak--but to get this bunch of people to accomplish anything he needed to be. Time was a "democratic" album--heck, didn't Christine have her own guitarist?--and look how awful, awful that was. I remember the band saying how much more fun it was to make Behind the Mask than Tango. Is there anything on BTM remotely resembling Little Lies or Everywhere or Big Love? Even WTTRS was better than anything there. So that's that then. In hindsight this band should have died thirty years ago. It is now a Dead Band Walking. It's about time to stop pretending it is still alive. Lindsey worked hard to create that illusion, and at his best he almost succeeded. With him gone, they have no chance. |
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4 minutes later... SO THIS SONG IS ABOUT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE....
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I think in one of the threads someone quoted her saying that Fleetwood Mac is still around because she gets bored. Indeed she does think everything is about her. That's why Lindsey was fired. He is the only one on earth who doesn't defer to her as the icon Madonna Nicopeia. |
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Jeez, some of you guys make it sound like Stevie is the wicked witch of the west hatching some evil plot to ruin poor lindsey’s life for no reason. Nobody woke up and randomly said “hey Lindsey, you’re fired because we’re sick of you”. Stevie & Mick aren’t dumb. They both live for money and attention and they know full well that the full rumours line up is what gets them the most of both those things, so neither would ever prefer to tour with the band incomplete.
Meanwhile they had this tour pre-planned and scheduled. I’ve heard from a few sources that there were even contracts already signed and in place. And he pulled out last minute, just like he did in 1987. Sure Stevie has delayed lots of stuff, but warning your band a year in advance that you want to delay a hypothetical tour is very different from signing on for a preplanned tour and then trying to pull out in the 11th hour. I’m sure they put forth every bit of effort to try to get him back on board. If he chose to continue being the hold-out and the rest of the band grew tired of fighting him on it, then his absence is his own fault. There’s a difference between a band spitefully firing somebody for no reason and a band deciding to continue with their plans despite one member’s absence. If your argument is that you think they should’ve just broken up or that they shouldn’t call the new incarnation “Fleetwood Mac”, I can understand that. But demonizing & attacking the rest of the band while making Lindsey out to be a completely innocent victim with no complicity is ridiculous IMO. |
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Since you asked- Save Me, Skies the Limit, Behind the Mask, and As Long As You Follow are great songs, and I would rank Save Me and Follow higher than Little Lies. In the Back of My Mind, Do You Know, Love is Dangerous, and No Questions Asked are also excellent. This version of the Mac I totally loved. Sorry you didn't like it but I understand... I didn't like Time at all, but that album has fans, too. And there are some bombs on Tango- When I See You Again and Family Man are wretched, Welcome to the Room Sara is saved only by the lyrics, and You and I 2 is forgettable fluff.
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