Tonight - Bill O v. Bill M

[dissention]

Originally posted by Rob67
And why, exactly, should I try and understand the logic behind flying planes filled with innocent people into buildings filled with innocent people?

I understand other cultures and groups of people just as well as anyone else here. In fact, I am one of the more tolerant people that I know. But I cannot defend or even rationalize the kind of actions that result from following fundamentalist Islam. It is the great evil of our century...like it or not.

Just my two cents.

Rob

You wouldn't like to know their rationale behind their actions? I do. It doesn't mean I agree with them, I'd just like to know why they feel such hostility towards us. There is no way to find out without education and patience.

Ignorance is an unbecoming characteristic.

[dissention]

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
Ya know - I am actually starting to know what you are gonna post before you do it. So predictable . . .

Same here. Us liberals say the same things, just like you conservatives say the same things.

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by dissention
Same here. Us liberals say the same things, just like you conservatives say the same things.

Yeah - at this point in the thread, I don't really know if there is an original thought from either side to be had

[Rob67]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Well Rob, if I could find one insightful post containing an original thought, perhaps I'd take you more seriously. Ciao!

Oh come on now...I have countered many of your points with valid arguments throughout my posts. I am not going to waste the time to repost my views. I have also noticed an almost hostile sarcasm and little comments coming through in a lot of your posts. I know you are smarter and more mature then that. Why resort to this?

And if you want to get picky, everything that I have seen in your posts is either Bush bashing or conspiracy theories. I don’t want to go negative here, it’s not my style. But YOU have not put down one argument or theory of your own on any subject that I can recall. Aside from the boring “liberal” lines of “Blood for oil” or “Bush is Hitler” or “Tax cuts for the Rich”….What do you think our government should do to counter terrorism, long term? What kind of economic theory to you subscribe to on the Federal level? Do you believe in a socialist\Marxist style of governing or are you a proponent of a capitalist society according to Adam Smith? Make me see your point of view! I want something good that will make me think.

I have no ill will towards anyone here and I am entertained by our discussions. But if the maturity level of some people cannot accept differing opinions then I will cease to post and return to the LB board and post music only entries. I will not resort to bickering and name calling. I leave that to extremists!

Peace out!

Rob

[Sugar]

Originally posted by dissention
Me too! He had me in hysterics on last nights debate with his pie chart. I watched it all over again on C-SPAN just for that.

Sorry to interupt the...discussion...

But did anyone catch the debate on NPR last week? When apparently he held up his pie chart and the moderator said, "Kucinich (sp?) is holding up a pie chart which doesn't work very well on the radio..."

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by dissention
You wouldn't like to know their rationale behind their actions? I do. It doesn't mean I agree with them, I'd just like to know why they feel such hostility towards us. There is no way to find out without education and patience.

I've run out of patience for a group of people who don't even value their own lives nor that of other people in the name of all things...religion. We're two totally different societies. What they deem rational, we deem extremist and they see us in the same light. We're not looking to dominate the world (disagree all you want) but way back in history at some point, we became the savior to many and have been put in this awkward postion.

I've spent much time in and out of the classroom on the topic of the middle east with one professor even alluding to the fact that we deserved what we got (this I kid you not). There's too much history and too much bad blood not just with us, but with surrounding countries to come to any sort of ground with them.

[Rob67]

Originally posted by dissention
You wouldn't like to know their rationale behind their actions? I do. It doesn't mean I agree with them, I'd just like to know why they feel such hostility towards us. There is no way to find out without education and patience.

Ignorance is an unbecoming characteristic.

I understand their rational as far as what they say and do. I read their statements. I don't agree with it, plain and simple. It doesn't mean I don't understand it. Perhaps we interpret things differently, and that’s ok. Their actions reinforce my belief that fundamentalist religious followers are dangerous and....ignorant.

Rob

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
I've run out of patience for a group of people who don't even value their own lives nor that of other people in the name of all things...religion. We're two totally different societies. What they deem rational, we deem extremist and they see us in the same light. We're not looking to dominate the world (disagree all you want) but way back in history at some point, we became the savior to many and have been put in this awkward postion.

I've spent much time in and out of the classroom on the topic of the middle east with one professor even alluding to the fact that we deserved what we got (this I kid you not). There's too much history and too much bad blood not just with us, but with surrounding countries to come to any sort of ground with them.

Agreed. I can't believe the ignorance of people who think "we deserved" 9/11. Who was that who said it was God's punishment for embracing the homosexual lifestyle - Fallwell? Now that is off the deep end of the right wing!

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by dissention


It was quite shocking to find out that he wrote it.

I firmly believe that Kathy Bates' character was meant to be Vince.

Oh absolutely. I just wonder if it speaks to the "why."

[estranged4life]

the "Today Show" this morning? Paul O'Neill was interviewed and he had a few interesting things to say:

He doesnt see the Treasury Dept. investigation as a payback from the Bush administration...He would have done the same thing himself.

He will vote for Bush in the upcoming election because he believes there isn't a candidate that is as qualified as the current President.

He feels the political process in the U.S. is broken and unfixable due to "bi-partisan politics".

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It was quite an interesting listen IMHO...

Brian j.

[dissention]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Oh absolutely. I just wonder if it speaks to the "why."

Exactly! However, in the movie, they didn't really add the air of mystery to Bates' death like there was in real life; they just played it as a suicide. I don't think we'll ever know what really happened, but...

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by Rob67
Their actions reinforce my belief that fundamentalist religious followers are dangerous and....ignorant.

So how do you explain your support for Dubya?

[Rob67]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
So how do you explain your support for Dubya?

Well, first, I don't support him on everything. Second, he isn't what I would classify as a religious extremist. I am talking about cultists (see Branch Davidians), and extremists like militant Muslim groups. I guess you could include the KKK if you want a "Christian" based example.

Rob

[dissention]

Originally posted by Rob67
Well, first, I don't support him on everything. Second, he isn't what I would classify as a religious extremist. I am talking about cultists (see Branch Davidians), and extremists like militant Muslim groups. I guess you could include the KKK if you want a "Christian" based example.

Rob

He believes that God speaks to him. He believes that God tells him to do things. He requires that all of his staff pray before each meeting or else they will be barred until they do so. He constantly works God into his speeches.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by dissention


He believes that God speaks to him. He believes that God tells him to do things. He requires that all of his staff pray before each meeting or else they will be barred until they do so. He constantly works God into his speeches.

What you said. If that isn't extremist, I don't know what is. And, if you ask me, constitutionally troubling