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Okay, the revised top five: Purple Dancer Blow By Blow ('94 mix) Lizard People Cool Water Down Endless Street (A b-side for a song that was never really a single. At least it wasn't released in the same quantity as the other four Tango singles.)
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I appreciate the point you're making, even though I compared the Green-era line-up to the current line-up, not the 'Rumours' line-up - and last time I looked, Christine had left. Also I was thinking more of the band as a live attraction - far more people show up to see Stevie than Lindsey or the other two. I accept that's just an opinion and many many people are about to disagree The reason the 1971 GH album is full of Peter Green songs is that he had all the singles. Danny had none till Peter left and Jeremy had one as far as I know (the first). As far as singles and hits go, sure - it was the Peter Green show, but live it was much more of a group thing. I guess that was my point As for obscure songs - I'd say the original version of World In Harmony was pretty obscure. I know it has shown up on the Show-Biz Blues set and Live in Boston etc, but the original was only on the B-side of Manalishi and a German GH album (Purple Dancer was on there as well). Last edited by bretonbanquet; 06-10-2005 at 02:06 PM.. |
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With the SYW band, it's not so cut and dry. Unlike Peter Green's FM, we have proof from solo careers and latter day versions of Fleetwood Mac that basically proves the Big Mac is an entity that is greater than any one member. Sure, Stevie is still the biggest selling point the band has. But, if we look at the time after Stevie quit, we see that the "Rumours"/BTM/SYW bands were bigger than any one member. "Time" was a huge flop, but then again, I'm pretty sure things were in motion for a Big Mac version of "Hell Freezes Over" by the time it came out, so of course they weren't going to promote it. What's odd is that Lindsey worked his tail off for OOTC, and it was a flop, and Stevie's "Street Angel," while doing better than OOTC or "Time" still sold less than 300K. So, while SYW wasn't a hit, it was still the most viable studio album released by any of them since BTM. And, honestly, I don't think the live shows would have done well if it had been, say, Mick, John, Stevie, Billy, and Rick.
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And on a similar note, I think the litmus test for a band's longevity(whether new material is still their forte or not), is having 4 or 5 big GUITAR rock songs. If you've got that, you can ride those coattails for a looooong time, milking those anthems forever.
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As much as Mac went under without Peter, he went under without them. That is to say, once he had outgrown the inspiration offered to him by Danny and had started moving in a new musical direction (the free form stuff and the improvisational jamming etc) he found himself on his own musically. I think this contributed to his obvious problems in other areas and is often overlooked. Without the musical support of anyone else, he sank like a stone and disappeared for 6 years. Maybe with a new muse to bounce off, maybe things could have been different. I suppose what I mean by all this is that the composition of the band surrounding Peter was a lot more important than is often realised. They helped him to be who we all saw as Peter Green. It's hypothetical, but I don't believe anyone else could have done that. In that way I think the early line-up is similar to how you viewed the later line-ups, i.e. the band is bigger than the constituent members, but with Peter's line-up it looked on the surface like he was standing up more or less on his own. |
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It is pretty much the same as when Jack Bruce & Ginger Baker got another guitarist (Clem Cleamons, ex-Humble Pie guitarist)...it still wasn't Cream without Clapton. (although, they didn't call the band "Cream" either)
Fleetwood Mac in those days wasn't the same without Peter Green...but, they kept the name the same, therefore the comparisons were escalated. If they'd changed the name of the band after Peter left, then they might have fared better sooner.
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Not sure what you folks mean with "obscure". However it appears to me that it was only the Peter Green line-up that played songs live they never recorded in the studio. That is, not only covers of "traditional" blues songs, but also Danny's "One Sided Love".
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Sure you're not confused with Clem Clempson, guitarist for Colosseum? Correct me if I'm wrong. Wouter |
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No, I still contend that it was mental illness. As pretty much everybody BUT Peter seems to have noticed, he changed significantly after that trip to Germany. Whenever McVie is asked about it, he still gets very, VERY angry. I'm sure that the Mac wasn't able to musically go where he wanted to go, but I honestly believe that THAT was a very small part of it. Quote:
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My mistake...YES, it WAS Clem Clempson. Clem took Peter Frampton's place in Humble Pie in 1972...his first album with them was the Smokin' album (with the great Humble Pie classic, "30 Days In The Hole" and their fantastic cover of Eddie Cochrane's "C'mon Everybody"). I seem to remember Clem leaving Colosseum after their 1971 Live album. I DO remember that Gary Moore replaced Clem when Jon Hiesman reformed Colosseum after a couple of year hiatus. (That reformed band, Hiesman named "Colosseum II" and also included eventual original Peter Green Splinter Group bassist Neal Murray)
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The other thing I wanted to say was regarding the public's view of Jeremy and Danny versus Lindsey. Lindsey's been in and out of the band for 30 years, J & D had only been around 2-3 years during the 69-70 era we're talking about. To me, this is the only reason why Lindsey might be more sorely missed now if the band toured without him. He's had a lot longer to stamp his personality and musical expression on the band. I don't disagree with most of what you said - a lot of it is conjecture of course, but it's very interesting to discuss it |
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