9/13/67 FM's first show?

[ThePenguin]

Originally Posted by Oona

There were quite a number of amazing acts that day......(the) Cream, (the) Pink Floyd, Mayall, Pentangle, Crazy world of Aurthur Brown, interestingly also a band called Chicken Shack......hmmmmm.....once again, I call on more seasoned veterans of FM lore who might know if this was the first meeting of Christine and John or not.

I think I've read J and C saw each other there, but didn't actually formally 'meet' there. Chris must have been easy to notice, being like the only female performer there LOL, and I remember Chris saying Mayall played in the 'big tent'-- Mayall was a big name so she probably watched them and hence, saw John.

Their first real meeting--when I assume they were introduced to each other and actually talked a bit-- was 3 mos later, in Nov 1967 at London's Saville Theater. I believe John was still engaged to some other girl at that time, though, so it was just a 'friend' thing for awhile.

-Lis

[Oona]

thanx much for the responses....what a quagmire band histories can be.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Wouter Vuijk

How about Led Zeppelin (The lemon song, I believe from LZ-1):
"Squeeze my lemon, till the juice runs down my leg"

I hate "The Lemon Song" because they took a couple of songs they didn't write and put them with a few lines they did write. Most of "Lemon Song" was actually Howlin' Wolf's "Killin' Floor" with the classic lemon line from Robert Johnson's "Travelling Riverside Blues." And yet they took full credit for the song. BTW, it was on LZ-2.


Killin' Floor
Chester Burnett a.k.a. Howlin' Wolf

I should'a quit you, long time ago
I should'a quit you, baby, long time ago
I should'a quit you, and went on to Mexico
If I ha'da followed, my first mind
If I ha'da followed, my first mind
I'd'a been gone, since my second time
I should'a went on, when my friend come from Mexico at me
I should'a went on, when my friend come from Mexico at me
I was foolin' with ya baby, I let ya put me on the
killin' floor
Lord knows, I should'a been gone
Lord knows, I should'a been gone
And I wouldn't've been here, down on the killin' floor
----

Traveling Riverside Blues
Robert Johnson:

If your man get personal, want you to have your fun
If your man get personal, want you to have your fun
Best come on back to Friars Point, mama, and barrelhouse all night long

I got women's in Vicksburg, clean on into Tennessee
I got women's in Vicksburg, clean on into Tennessee
But my Friars Point1 rider, now, hops all over me

I ain't gon' to state no color but her, front teeth crowned with gold
I ain't gon' to state no color but her, front teeth is crowned with gold
She got a mortgage on my body, now, and a lien on my soul

Lord, I'm goin' to Rosedale, gon' take my rider by my side
Lord, I'm goin' to Rosedale, gon' take my rider by my side
We can still barrelhouse baby, on the riverside

Now you can squeeze my lemon 'til the juice run down my...
(spoken: 'til the juice rune down my leg, baby, you know what I'm talkin' about)
You can squeeze my lemon 'til the juice run down my leg
(spoken: That's what I'm talkin' 'bout, now)
But I'm goin' back to Friars Point1, if I be rockin'to my head
-----

The Lemon Song
Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, John Paul Jones, & John Bohnam

I should have quit you long time ago,
Yeah, long time ago.
Oh yeah, long time ago.
I wouldn't be here, my children,
down on this killin' floor.
I should have listened, baby, to my second mind X2
Everytime I go away and leave you, darling,
You send me the blues way down the line.
Babe, treat me right, baby, oh my my my
People tellin' me baby can't be satisfied;
They try to worry me baby
But they never hurt you in my eyes.
Said, people worry I can't keep you satisfied.
Let me tell you baby,
You ain't nothin but a two-bit, no-good jive.
Went to sleep last night, worked as hard as I can,
Bring home my money, you take my money, give it to another man;
I should have quit you, baby, such a long time ago,
I wouldn't be here with all my troubles
Down on this killing floor.
Squeeze me baby, till the juice runs down my leg, X2
The way you squeeze my lemon,
I..I'm gonna fall right out of bed, Yeah.
Hey! (conversation between Robert Plant & guitar)
Baby baby baby...
I'm gonna leave my children down on this killin floor.

[dino]

Actually,
the first F Mac gig was August 13, 1967 at the WIndsor festival. The Marquee gig was some days later.
I have the Windsor performance on tape, it's short but great, with the only live version of the SONG "Fleetwood mac" that i've ever heard.
Agree about Zeppelin; they should have acknowledged where their early songs songs came from.
"Lemon song" is basically "Killin' floor" all the way through
/dino

[Wouter Vuijk]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I hate "The Lemon Song" because they took a couple of songs they didn't write and put them with a few lines they did write. Most of "Lemon Song" was actually Howlin' Wolf's "Killin' Floor" with the classic lemon line from Robert Johnson's "Travelling Riverside Blues." And yet they took full credit for the song. BTW, it was on LZ-2.

Hi Steve,
I fully agree with you comments.
I have all these recordings as well and should've known better.
However, it was way past my bedtime and I felt I just HAD to respond to sexual blatelently comments.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Wouter Vuijk

Hi Steve,
I fully agree with you comments.
I have all these recordings as well and should've known better.
However, it was way past my bedtime and I felt I just HAD to respond to sexual blatelently comments.

Oh, I wasn't commenting on you, just "The Lemon Song." Anyway, it was well past MY bedtime when I posted that message.

[ThePenguin]

Originally Posted by dino

Actually,
the first F Mac gig was August 13, 1967 at the WIndsor festival. The Marquee gig was some days later.
I have the Windsor performance on tape, it's short but great, with the only live version of the SONG "Fleetwood mac" that i've ever heard.
Agree about Zeppelin; they should have acknowledged where their early songs songs came from.
"Lemon song" is basically "Killin' floor" all the way through
/dino

This is sort of OT--- but I heard a story once, or actually I think i read it-- that Robert Plant and Jimmy Page once walked into a British pub back in the early days of Zeppelin and actually came upon an American bluesman doing a blues song. Plant said something like, "Hey, we do that song!" and Page told him something like, "Shut up and let's get the f*ck out of here." Sad but funny in a way. I guess the story implies that page was far more aware of how much they were swiping stuff than Plant was? Anyone else ever hear that?? maybe it's all BS?

-Lis

[bretonbanquet]

I think the appropriation of old blues songs by various bands around that time was pretty widespread. After all, Jeremy used to do it fairly regularly and quite blatantly, and Peter did it a few times too. 'Leaving Town Blues' owed a hell of a lot to 'If I Get Lucky' by Arthur Crudup for example. I was quite shocked when I heard that song

[chiliD]

And, "Ramblin' Pony" is pretty much Muddy Waters' "Rollin' & Tumblin'" with different lyrics.

[BklynBlue]

Attempting to sort out the song appropriations can be very difficult indeed.
"Lemon Squeezer" on "Shrine '69" is actually a John Lee "Sonny Boy" Williamson song titled "Until My Love Comes Down".
"Going Home", from the Windsor debut is a Howlin' Wolf song, which Wolf himself later adapted into the better known "Who's Talking", which Green then used as his template for "I Loved Another Woman".
Even the LP / CD releasing companies can get the credits wrong. Chess Records artist Jimmy Rogers (real name Jimmy Lane) is listed as the composer of "Lemon Sqeezer" on "Shrine '69" for some reason, and every release that I have seen of the material on "London Live '68" has Jimi Hendrix ( ! ) as the composer on "Bleeding Heart" which ends the disc.
FWIW, it is an Elmore James song.

[P90pup]

They were always blatantly sexual Mick's swinging balls swinging
from his belt...and his percussive use of them with his drumsticks during
Oh Well....Ya had to be there

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by chiliD

And, "Ramblin' Pony" is pretty much Muddy Waters' "Rollin' & Tumblin'" with different lyrics.

When I think of an original blues song, I usually think of lyrics. Let's face it, there are really so few blues patterns, and they have been passed down from generation to generation. Chicago blues is essentially electrified Delta blues, which is the original musical tradition of the great Chicago bluesmen. I doubt that Muddy originated the whole "Rollin' & Tumblin'" music. Some of the lyrics were probably passed down, too. Ironically, "Rollin' & Tumblin'" also sounds a lot like Robert Johnson's "Travellin' Riverside Blues." So, "Ramblin Pony" is about as original as one can get with Chicago blues. The lyrics weren't total rip-offs of others, which was not the case with "The Lemon Song."