Neil Finn on Fleetwood Mac internal politics

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

How so? Lindsey’s comments about a Buckingham Nicks reunion tour being impossible between legs and Stevie not focusing on new material to Rolling Stone in December, 2012, calling Irving’s baby a cash grab that didn’t speak to the band’s aspirations, and being difficult during tour negotiations were probably, in their minds, fireable offenses that were entirely all on Lindsey. It’s all about perspective.

I mean, yeah, she’s said obnoxious things about him, too, but she’s the reason they’re an arena band. Meanwhile, Irving is arguably the most powerful man in the music industry.

If saying things about your bandmates is a fireable offense, the entire band would be fired at one point or other, and Stevie would be at the top of the list.

slagging off your bandmates isn't anything new nor a remotely fireable offense, nor is 'being difficult in tour negotiations' even in rock and roll. The fact that they ultimately settled so quickly with him reinforces the legal system agrees, and "in their minds" it was actually petty chapped buttholes that came into play. So chapping the asses of your bandmates and manager rises to a 'fireable' offense within FM world.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

If saying things about your bandmates is a fireable offense, the entire band would be fired at one point or other, and Stevie would be at the top of the list.

slagging off your bandmates isn't anything new nor a remotely fireable offense, nor is 'being difficult in tour negotiations' even in rock and roll. The fact that they ultimately settled so quickly with him reinforces the legal system agrees, and "in their minds" it was actually petty chapped buttholes that came into play. So chapping the asses of your bandmates and manager rises to a 'fireable' offense within FM world.

You say that as if there was a neutral power dynamic at play.

Slagging on Stevie Nicks after the one person in the world who could be brutally honest with her and talk her off the ledge died (Barbara Nicks) when she needs you less than you need her, yeah, it’s fireable, especially given the contentious dysfunctional relationship between those two.

[anusha]

Once 1) Mike Campbell needed a job and 2) Irving had proven that the Eagles could tour without Glen, anything less than worship of Stevie would have been a fireable offense to Stevie and Irving as far as Lindsey was concerned.

That’s what made the initial PR spin FM did around the firing so absurd and gross. It was always obvious that Stevie demanded that Lindsey be fired or she wouldn’t tour. She just didn’t want to look bad, and when she did get backlash, her groupies like Vanessa Carlton took to twitter to badmouth Lindsey.

And Stevie is the queen of unreasonable tour demands. Separate jets and grand pianos and pink painted suites. Bringing her background singers everywhere. Playing the same set lists. Interminable costume, no make that shawl, changes. Forcing the others to wait for her to finish solo stuff all the time. And I’m sure by the end at least double the share of the tour income of any other member of the band. She just had the power to get away with it and Lindsey didn’t. While we didn’t need proof of all of this, Neil clearly saw this dynamic first hand from how he described the band.

[elle]

Originally Posted by anusha

While we didn’t need proof of all of this, Neil clearly saw this dynamic first hand from how he described the band.

but... but how do you mean?? they were all so happy happy happy happy that tour, no??

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by elle

but... but how do you mean?? they were all so happy happy happy happy that tour, no??

And the pre-BN songs were so enjoyed by the band that the setlist dropped to 18 songs from 24 songs at the band's final concert at Oracle Park in San Francisco (Oh Well was the pre BN song) and 20 songs at their last indoor arena concert (BMW and Split Enz were the extra two here).

During the On With the Show Tour, the setlist never went below 22 songs, one reason a song was dropped was Songbird was giving Christine pain in her hands but she brought it back for Europe and Australia and New Zealand. Stevie dropped Seven Wonders, which seemed to be a challenging vocal for her, but it could also have been that she didn't want to sing 8 "solo" songs.

My one wish for the OWTS Tour is that Lindsey played Bleed To Love Her rather than I Know I'm Not Wrong and instead of Sisters of the Moon, Stevie played Angel since we got Sisters at every 2013 show.

[secret love]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

And the pre-BN songs were so enjoyed by the band that the setlist dropped to 18 songs from 24 songs at the band's final concert at Oracle Park in San Francisco (Oh Well was the pre BN song) and 20 songs at their last indoor arena concert (BMW and Split Enz were the extra two here).

During the On With the Show Tour, the setlist never went below 22 songs, one reason a song was dropped was Songbird was giving Christine pain in her hands but she brought it back for Europe and Australia and New Zealand. Stevie dropped Seven Wonders, which seemed to be a challenging vocal for her, but it could also have been that she didn't want to sing 8 "solo" songs.

My one wish for the OWTS Tour is that Lindsey played Bleed To Love Her rather than I Know I'm Not Wrong and instead of Sisters of the Moon, Stevie played Angel since we got Sisters at every 2013 show.

They did play Bleed to Love Her at the Australia and New Zealand shows. Along with Sara and Think About Me, which they didn’t play in the North America shows so I believe.

Angel is still possible, if Stevie wants to do something actually different and interesting with her solo setlists for the European tour.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by secret love

They did play Bleed to Love Her at the Australia and New Zealand shows. Along with Sara and Think About Me, which they didn’t play in the North America shows so I believe.

Angel is still possible, if Stevie wants to do something actually different and interesting with her solo setlists for the European tour.

Oh man could you imagine for the hardcore fans? But if she’s not singing Sara because it reminds her of Christine, I don’t know how she does Angel because I think of that as such a Chris driven song. I didn’t care for the Waddy led one which had Roy on piano, but I’d take that version just to hear Angel live again.

[The Catdancer]

Originally Posted by secret love

They did play Bleed to Love Her at the Australia and New Zealand shows. Along with Sara and Think About Me, which they didn’t play in the North America shows so I believe.

Angel is still possible, if Stevie wants to do something actually different and interesting with her solo setlists for the European tour.

I don't think it is actually. She'd never be able to hit those high notes ever again. And without the high notes, it doesn't sound right to me. Just like Sisters, I cringed every time I heard it. We'll never get another Mirage tour Sisters or a Tusk tour Angel simply because she can't do it anymore.

[The Catdancer]

Originally Posted by anusha

Once 1) Mike Campbell needed a job and 2) Irving had proven that the Eagles could tour without Glen, anything less than worship of Stevie would have been a fireable offense to Stevie and Irving as far as Lindsey was concerned.

That’s what made the initial PR spin FM did around the firing so absurd and gross. It was always obvious that Stevie demanded that Lindsey be fired or she wouldn’t tour. She just didn’t want to look bad, and when she did get backlash, her groupies like Vanessa Carlton took to twitter to badmouth Lindsey.

And Stevie is the queen of unreasonable tour demands. Separate jets and grand pianos and pink painted suites. Bringing her background singers everywhere. Playing the same set lists. Interminable costume, no make that shawl, changes. Forcing the others to wait for her to finish solo stuff all the time. And I’m sure by the end at least double the share of the tour income of any other member of the band. She just had the power to get away with it and Lindsey didn’t. While we didn’t need proof of all of this, Neil clearly saw this dynamic first hand from how he described the band.

And don't forget she's bringing her own furniture with her...