new Dashut blog - Truth & Consequences (My Times with FM)

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

See, you're the one assuming that I'm body shaming. I was just making fun of Chiffonheads in general.

So IF this woman was skinny, she would be fair game? But because she's not, she can't have fun poked at her? Is that the level of PC that we've reached? Someone skinny CAN be mocked for looking like an idiot, but someone who's heavy is IMMUNE from mockery? If so, that is TRULY a double standard.

Think about it.

...and would you have posted a picture of a slim chiffonhead in this instance? No, because for you that wouldn't have been funny. The Dunkin Donuts reference clearly alludes to the fact you partly find the picture humorous because she is large. This lady clearly loves Stevie/FM and as such there's a decent chance she'd either be a Ledgie herself or at least take a look from time to time. I feel for her if and when she reads this.

You are a middle aged man. Think about it.

[HomerMcvie]

Stevie says that hurts my everything...

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Stevie says that hurts my everything...

That looks pretty approachable....

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

Making fun of her voice, songwriting, performances, and behavior? 100% fair game.

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

So IF this woman was skinny, she would be fair game? But because she's not, she can't have fun poked at her? Is that the level of PC that we've reached? Someone skinny CAN be mocked for looking like an idiot, but someone who's heavy is IMMUNE from mockery? If so, that is TRULY a double standard.

Think about it.

I'm not defending the pic, but I do wonder why we categorize certain things as okay to make fun of and not others. I wouldn't make fun of someone's weight, but I wouldn't make fun of someone's performance either. I can have my opinions on both, but I don't need to vocalize them to get a laugh or make someone feel bad.

I guess I feel the same way about the forum rules. I could post the nastiest, most vulgar insult my twisted mind could come up with about Stevie, and no one would bat an eye, but even a mild criticism of Michele or David or Johnny Stew would get me reprimanded, even banned if I kept it up. The argument is that Stevie is a celebrity and it comes with the territory and she's a big girl and can handle it, and while that is true, I am a big boy and can handle it too, but I certainly don't want to be talked about that way; no one does. I suppose I understand it on a certain level, but talking trash about people, especially to get a laugh or be hurtful, seems kind of sh**ty to me, and I don't know why it matters who you're talking about.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

That looks pretty approachable....

Dude, that could be tag teamed!

[johnnystorms]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

I'm not defending the pic, but I do wonder why we categorize certain things as okay to make fun of and not others. I wouldn't make fun of someone's voice, but I wouldn't make fun of someone's performance either. I can have my opinions on both, but I don't need to vocalize them to get a laugh or make someone feel bad.

I guess I feel the same way about the forum rules. I could post the nastiest, most vulgar insult my twisted mind could come up with about Stevie, and no one would bat an eye, but even a mild criticism of Michele or David or Johnny Stew would get me reprimanded, even banned if I kept it up. The argument is that Stevie is a celebrity and it comes with the territory and she's a big girl and can handle it, and while that is true, I am a big boy and can handle it too, but I certainly don't want to be talked about that way; no one does. I suppose I understand it on a certain level, but talking trash about people, especially to get a laugh or be hurtful, seems kind of sh**ty to me, and I don't know why it matters who you're talking about.

welcome to the internet ; where obscure people can sit behind keyboards and "comment" ugly, mean-spirited rants.
Not to mention he's mocking her appearance over 25 years ago, in the midst of her addiction to Klonopin. So "he's" not only mocking her weight, but mocking an illness.
Maybe it's the only way certain people can feel better about themselves

[sorcerer999]

Originally Posted by johnnystorms

welcome to the internet ; where obscure people can sit behind keyboards and "comment" ugly, mean-spirited rants.
Not to mention he's mocking her appearance over 25 years ago, in the midst of her addiction to Klonopin. So "he's" not only mocking her weight, but mocking an illness.
Maybe it's the only way certain people can feel better about themselves

You hit the nail on the head right there!

Anywaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyysss...getting back to the topic of this thread. Ken Caillat just posted this as his status on his Facebook page...

"Full Story, I just got the new LIFE Mag issue on FLEETWOOD MAC. I was amazed and shocked at how negative they made most things sound. Or maybe they decided to throw me under the bus and twist my quotes completely. To show how inaccurate they are I didn't see 1 mention about my co-producer Richard Dashut who was there with them for much longer than I was! I wish I wasn't mentioned!"

[gssmith]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

See, you're the one assuming that I'm body shaming. I was just making fun of Chiffonheads in general.

So IF this woman was skinny, she would be fair game? But because she's not, she can't have fun poked at her? Is that the level of PC that we've reached? Someone skinny CAN be mocked for looking like an idiot, but someone who's heavy is IMMUNE from mockery? If so, that is TRULY a double standard.

Think about it.

You also have to keep in mind that HomerMcVie lives his 50 year old washed up life thru Lindsey Buckingham's guitar greatness with his hands in his pants. He gets off by attacking anything Stevie related. He loves her but can't admit it because with out Stevie he and this blog would be nothing but 5 people talking. Hence, he is Lindsey. Bleed to Love Her

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

I guess I feel the same way about the forum rules. I could post the nastiest, most vulgar insult my twisted mind could come up with about Stevie, and no one would bat an eye, but even a mild criticism of Michele or David or Johnny Stew would get me reprimanded, even banned if I kept it up.

Stevie is not on this board. She need not be a "big girl". It doesn't matter if she can "take it." She isn't even here. Whether she can take the criticism or not is irrelevant. It's fine to insult people who are not here. It's not ok to attack people you're in a conversation with, because they said something you didn't like about your favorite star -- who is not in the conversation, doesn't know about it and doesn't care. I don't know why that's a difficult distinction.

The problem with Homer McVie's post is that coming on the heels of people getting upset about his goat comment, I think it was designed to bait people here and that's not ok. You can speak an opinion, but if you do it with the deliberate intent to make others upset, then that's wrong. If a collateral effect of speaking one's mind is making a protective fan upset, then that fan shouldn't be here.

Michele

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by gssmith

You also have to keep in mind that HomerMcVie lives his 50 year old washed up life thru Lindsey Buckingham's guitar greatness with his hands in his pants. He gets off by attacking anything Stevie related. He loves her but can't admit it because with out Stevie he and this blog would be nothing but 5 people talking.

I have no problem with there only being 5 people (or less) talking on the blog.

Michele

[SisterNightroad]

This thread is going very off topic...

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by gssmith

You also have to keep in mind that HomerMcVie lives his 50 year old washed up life thru Lindsey Buckingham's guitar greatness with his hands in his pants. He gets off by attacking anything Stevie related. He loves her but can't admit it because with out Stevie he and this blog would be nothing but 5 people talking. Hence, he is Lindsey. Bleed to Love Her

This sounds bitter and a bit of an attack on your part. Re-read it if you don't understand what I mean. You're doing the very thing you're chastising him for doing.

Can't we all just get along....

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

This thread is going very off topic...

Quick!! Give us some loving gifs!!

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Stevie is not on this board. She need not be a "big girl". It doesn't matter if she can "take it." She isn't even here. Whether she can take the criticism or not is irrelevant. It's fine to insult people who are not here. It's not ok to attack people you're in a conversation with, because they said something you didn't like about your favorite star -- who is not in the conversation, doesn't know about it and doesn't care. I don't know why that's a difficult distinction.

When I made my original comment, I was thinking more along the lines of people who rationalize that celebrities "sign up for" and "deserve" things like anonymous insults and paparazzi stalkings. I never understood why someone's line of work being lucrative or making them known to a large number of people should influence how they are treated by others. So your distinction of basing things on who is and isn't here is something different, and that's why I said I understand it on a certain level, although I'm not sure how we can ever know who is here and who isn't. We've had band members here before, and it wouldn't shock me to know that others check it out anonymously.

Originally Posted by michelej1

The problem with Homer McVie's post is that coming on the heels of people getting upset about his goat comment, I think it was designed to bait people here and that's not ok. You can speak an opinion, but if you do it with the deliberate intent to make others upset, then that's wrong. If a collateral effect of speaking one's mind is making a protective fan upset, then that fan shouldn't be here.

Makes sense, but I can usually distinguish between a criticism, which doesn't bother me, and an insult, which almost always feels like baiting.

[SisterNightroad]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Quick!! Give us some loving gifs!!