Setlist spoiler alert...

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by chiliD

DITTO!

And, to the list of "songs that Fleetwood Mac does live that they didn't do in the studio", you can add Buckingham Nicks' "Don't Let Me Down Again". Nobody bitches about THAT one being considered a "Fleetwood Mac song" since they released is on the 1980 Live album.

It's just a Chiffonhead backlash lynch mob is what it is.

I honestly wish that Stand Back & Don't Let Me Down Again were never performed on Mac stages, and would both be retired completely from present & future Mac setlists. I just don't think non-FM material should be performed on a FM stage, period. That being said, I truly do love the acoustic version of Go Insane, and it will always receive a get out of jail free card from me.

However, I am somewhat of the opinion of when the songwriter retires from the band, their songs should go with them. I have never cared for Lindsey's rendition of Oh Well, and I really, really didn't like S&L's versions of Christine's songs. To me, when 1 singer/songwriter performs another singer/songwriter's tunes, it's a cover song. And I do not care for cover songs on the FM stage. You call it paying homage, I call it lounge act.

[PenguinHead]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

I honestly wish that Stand Back & Don't Let Me Down Again were never performed on Mac stages, and would both be retired completely from present & future Mac setlists. I just don't think non-FM material should be performed on a FM stage, period. That being said, I truly do love the acoustic version of Go Insane, and it will always receive a get out of jail free card from me.

However, I am somewhat of the opinion of when the songwriter retires from the band, their songs should go with them. I have never cared for Lindsey's rendition of Oh Well, and I really, really didn't like S&L's versions of Christine's songs. To me, when 1 singer/songwriter performs another singer/songwriter's tunes, it's a cover song. And I do not care for cover songs on the FM stage. You call it paying homage, I call it lounge act.

I certainly understand and respect your opinions and feelings. I also feel that Stand Back should have never been performed (and become a staple!) by Fleetwood Mac (this also goes for Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You). Stand Back singularly defines Stevie solo career, and has no alignment with Fleetwood Mac's overall style.

But I see Don't Let Me Down (or even Frozen Love, which was performed once by Fleetwood Mac), very differently. As Buckingham Nicks songs, they are so indicative of the influence Lindsey and Stevie brought to the band that they easily could be mistaken as Fleetwood Mac songs. Their performance of Don't Let Me Down Again on the LIVE album is fantastic! I consider it as Fleetwood Mac song.

Oh Well, also on the LIVE album, was released as a single and got a lot of radio airplay. I feel it was a nice, respectable nod to Fleetwood Mac's history and Peter Green. I really enjoy listening to all the old songs they performed early on circa 1975-1975: Station Man, Get Like You Used to Be, Hypnotized Spare Me a Little etc...

Christine's musicality is a large part of the band's style, so almost all of her solo songs fit the Fleetwood Mac mold.

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

However, I am somewhat of the opinion of when the songwriter retires from the band, their songs should go with them.

I am intensely (and diametrically) opposed to this train of thought.

However, I am ever increasingly of the opinion that bands should NEVER AGAIN be named for their non-songwriting rhythm section.
See what kind of havoc that has caused ever since Peter Green left?

(of course, the band McGuinness Flint didn't have these problems. Ex-Manfred Mann bassist Tom McGuinness & ex-Bluesbreakers drummer Hughie Flint. Along with songwriters Graham Lyle & Benny Gallagher. Graham Lyle wrote "What's Love Got To Do With it?" that Tina Turner turned into a huge hit.)

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by chiliD

I am intensely (and diametrically) opposed to this train of thought.

Ok, this I agree with. It's Fleetwood Mac. They should honor the whole library in some fashion.
Imagine them performing something like "Did You Ever Love Me" with Lindsey. That would be so fresh, so brave, and so truthful to what they used to stand for. I agree that they are becoming a facade of themselves. What surprises me is that Lindsey goes along with it. He was the one that wanted to be a visionary artist. They are now a FM cover band. There I said it.

Am I going? Yes, because it's my last chance to see them together. Not just Christine, but all five of them. I'm excited to see them. They better perform the crap out of these tunes because I've heard them 1,000,000 times.

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Not you. Mr Chili! He knows damn well that Stand Back should not even be mentioned in the same breath as, Don't Let Me Down Again. Even though, the guy has a point.

But if I comb my hair differently, you won't be able to see it.

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Ok, this I agree with. It's Fleetwood Mac. They should honor the whole library in some fashion.
Imagine them performing something like "Did You Ever Love Me" with Lindsey. That would be so fresh, so brave, and so truthful to what they used to stand for. I agree that they are becoming a facade of themselves. What surprises me is that Lindsey goes along with it. He was the one that wanted to be a visionary artist. They are now a FM cover band. There I said it.

Am I going? Yes, because it's my last chance to see them together. Not just Christine, but all five of them. I'm excited to see them. They better perform the crap out of these tunes because I've heard them 1,000,000 times.

Exactly...I can hear (in my bizarrely wired brain) them even doing a killer version of "Albatross" with Lindsey & Christine doing the harmony lines...they did it on "Sunny Side Of Heaven", they could do it on "Albatross" as an "after Songbird" song!!!! If Chris & Lindsey are REALLY on some creative burst as they claim, re-effing-arrange "Morning Rain" into a more commercial sounding song...even if the music doesn't bear any resemblance to the original, just lyrically. Make those old songs their own...SHOW some of that "visionary creatively". I'm thinking that whole "visionary" crap was some ego-induced illusion inside some "whiney" guitarist's self-centered mind. "Hey, Buckingham...Copernicus called...."

[MikeVielhaber]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

I honestly wish that Stand Back & Don't Let Me Down Again were never performed on Mac stages, and would both be retired completely from present & future Mac setlists. I just don't think non-FM material should be performed on a FM stage, period. That being said, I truly do love the acoustic version of Go Insane, and it will always receive a get out of jail free card from me.

However, I am somewhat of the opinion of when the songwriter retires from the band, their songs should go with them. I have never cared for Lindsey's rendition of Oh Well, and I really, really didn't like S&L's versions of Christine's songs. To me, when 1 singer/songwriter performs another singer/songwriter's tunes, it's a cover song. And I do not care for cover songs on the FM stage. You call it paying homage, I call it lounge act.

That's a lot of restrictions. I'm guessing cover songs would also be off limits? And that's a pretty rocking lounge act. I'd pay to see it.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

To me, when 1 singer/songwriter performs another singer/songwriter's tunes, it's a cover song. And I do not care for cover songs on the FM stage. You call it paying homage, I call it lounge act.

Damn lounge acts...

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Damn lounge acts...

I was going to mention Blue Letter in that post as well, but took it out. I don't like the Mac doing cover songs, period. This includes songs like Blue Letter. They have so much of their own material that has never seen stage time. Why take up real estate covering someone else's material?

That doesn't mean I don't like tunes such as Blue Letter or Seven Wonders. Those are both great pop songs. I even enjoy the '75 tour's renditions of songs like Hypnotized & Station Man. But when I pay to see Chris, Lindsey, and Stevie I want to hear THEIR songs. It's not that bizarre of a concept in my admittedly feeble mind.

[PenguinHead]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

I was going to mention Blue Letter in that post as well, but took it out. I don't like the Mac doing cover songs, period. This includes songs like Blue Letter. They have so much of their own material that has never seen stage time. Why take up real estate covering someone else's material?

That doesn't mean I don't like tunes such as Blue Letter or Seven Wonders. Those are both great pop songs. I even enjoy the '75 tour's renditions of songs like Hypnotized & Station Man. But when I pay to see Chris, Lindsey, and Stevie I want to hear THEIR songs. It's not that bizarre of a concept in my admittedly feeble mind.

It's a bizarre concept in my certified feeble mind. I pay to see a show, not a personal request list.
Blue Letter is a Fleetwood Mac song! It's on their album, and they have performed it many times. Just because it was written by someone other than a band member doesn't discount it. And it's not unusual for artists to spread their wings in live shows and perform other material other than their own. Fleetwood Mac, in comparison, is pretty tight and conservative with their set lists, never performing songs from the artists that influenced and informed their own style.

Tom Petty comes to mind. He has thrown in a lot of cover songs in his sets over the years; old songs from somewhat obscure artists that helped form him into the artist he is today. A good performance is a good performance, regardless of its origin. I don't think his audience complains that it show wasn't worthy their money because he didn't make it a greatest hits show.

I get how you feel. I try to release myself of too many exceptions; otherwise I set myself up for certain disappointment. But I would very much welcome an unexpected, out of nowhere song, or at the very least, they opened their set with a song they never opened with before. That simple change would be an exciting change. Is that too radical?

[KenshiMaster16]

Is it honestly so hard to come up with a setlist for these guys? I mean seriously, this took me like 5 minutes;

Monday Morning
Dreams
Say You Love Me
Gypsy
What Makes You Think You're The One
Hold Me
Big Love (Full Band)
Rhiannon
Everywhere

**Acoustic**
Never Going Back Again
Landslide

You Make Loving Fun
Seven Wonders
Everywhere
Oh Well
Get Like You Used To Be
Angel
I'm So Afraid
Gold Dust Woman
Tusk
Silver Springs
Isn't It Midnight
Go Your Own Way

**Encore**
The Chain
Don't Stop
Say Goodbye
Songbird


Boom, the hits, some pre-75 cuts and at least one cut from every album featuring Lindsey, Stevie and/or Christine. It's not hard AND they still get the hits/standards in. Theres really no excuse....

[PenguinHead]

Originally Posted by KenshiMaster16

Is it honestly so hard to come up with a setlist for these guys? I mean seriously, this took me like 5 minutes;

Monday Morning
Dreams
Say You Love Me
Gypsy
What Makes You Think You're The One
Hold Me
Big Love (Full Band)
Rhiannon
Everywhere

**Acoustic**
Never Going Back Again
Landslide

You Make Loving Fun
Seven Wonders
Everywhere
Oh Well
Get Like You Used To Be
Angel
I'm So Afraid
Gold Dust Woman
Tusk
Silver Springs
Isn't It Midnight
Go Your Own Way

**Encore**
The Chain
Don't Stop
Say Goodbye
Songbird


Boom, the hits, some pre-75 cuts and at least one cut from every album featuring Lindsey, Stevie and/or Christine. It's not hard AND they still get the hits/standards in. Theres really no excuse....

I like it. You must like Everywhere a lot. It's in the set twice!

[The dance]

Replace one for World Turning and you have a perfect setlist

[KenshiMaster16]

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

I like it. You must like Everywhere a lot. It's in the set twice!

LOL Didn't notice, one of them was supposed to be Think About Me but oh well. lol