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#16
08-30-2010, 03:39 PM
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English Rose
Track listing for EnglishRose (from double album configuration)
Stop Messing Round Jigsaw Puzzle Blues Dr Brown Something Inside Of Me Evening Boogie Love That Burns Black Magic Woman I'Ve Lost My Baby One Sunny Day Without You Coming Home Albatross doodyhead 
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#17
08-30-2010, 03:42 PM
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Please Do!
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I am sure my friends from across the pond could gain some insight. May the Snoot be with you LOL
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#19
08-30-2010, 04:11 PM
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Well nice to know that there is drama here on the Pre-Rumours forum!!
 Usually it's confined to the Stevie forum.  When I began this FM "Battle of the Songs", I said only original full studio albums would count as albums through out the battle - no compilation albums, no Live albums, no greatest hits albums, no Grandma Ethel's favorite FM hits album  , BUT that "all officially released FM songs" will eventually be counted and considered in there on special category. Take Peter's songs for example - all of Peter's songs from "other" album releases, would be put together in 1 category and so forth for each singer/songwriter.  Combining English Rose with Pious Bird of Good Omen is simply a compromise, since several songs overlap the original LPs. So Ledgies, lets just keep up with those "other" songs for later categories. 
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#20
08-30-2010, 05:21 PM
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compromise?
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Pious bird on has some of the same qualities and can be compared to some Beatles releases.
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#21
08-30-2010, 11:47 PM
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As doodyhead states, this is like having "And Your Bird Can Sing" on a non-existent UK album "Yesterday and Today" (U.S. release), while it should be on the UK version of "Revolver". The same can be said of "Drive My Car" = "Rubber Soul" (UK). I think it's fair to go by the FM UK versions, since (as with the Beatles) the US fans have access to the original albums today. If "Man of the World", and "The Green Manalishi" get their day in judgement, then it's ok. Last edited by slipkid; 08-31-2010 at 12:24 AM..
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#22
08-31-2010, 12:37 AM
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Fleetwood Mac was a British band. "English Rose" is a compilation album similar to "Pious Bird". Anyway, I am glad they chose "When You Say" instead of "Oh Well", as "When You Say" is the superior song.
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#23
08-31-2010, 12:44 AM
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Why would someone want to forget that Fleetwood Mac was THE greatest live rock band on the planet during the late winter/early spring of 1970? The "Live in Boston vols. (1-3)" document an officially sactioned live recording. The problem is Peter Green left the band at the worst possible time, and the tapes were shelved because any future FM band incarnation would play inferior to those tapes. That's why they didn't see the light of day until 1985 on LP boots. By then the Buckingham/Nicks version of FM was breaking up. Last edited by slipkid; 08-31-2010 at 12:48 AM..
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#24
08-31-2010, 08:56 AM
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no live albums?
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Like it this way homework talk with you last night watch out sugar momma when you squeeze me (i forgot the title) none of those essential FM songs are on any studio album but most were in their live repitoire and for the most part MR Wonderful is a live album in the studio
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08-31-2010, 11:06 AM
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Among God's creations, two, the dog and the guitar, have taken all the sizes and all the shapes in order not to be separated from the man.---Andres Segovia
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#26
08-31-2010, 11:15 AM
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English Rose is every bit legitimate an album as Meet The Beatles, Second Album, Something New, Beatles '65, Beatles VI, and Yesterday & Today. It's what us Yanks heard FIRST, so that's what's in our souls. Don't give a flying f*** what was "intended" or any **** like that. It is what Fleetwood Mac's official second album was to the US audience....like it or not, that's a f***ing fact.
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Among God's creations, two, the dog and the guitar, have taken all the sizes and all the shapes in order not to be separated from the man.---Andres Segovia
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08-31-2010, 02:36 PM
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08-31-2010, 03:41 PM
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the artist(s) rarely had any input into the releases made by the record company that claimed to represent them. As such it was up to Mike Vernon and later Ciifford Davis ($%^$%$%^) who decided what was released and to whom. In that spirit The band in question whether it be FM or the Beatles had no idea what was going to be put out in their name. Fleetwood Mac, the bar band, however knew exactly who they were and what they played in a show. You ask anyone who saw them back then and they were "the Live Act". not the record company's product. as such Fleetwood Mac, Mr Wonderful. English Rose, Then Play On, Blues Jam in Chicago, and Pious Bird of Good Omen can stand on their own. Kiln House is a different story. The Band Had control of the product[. I am witness to the band playing on that tour and can tell you that they played the songs in that album pretty much as it was recorded. The era of complete record company control over the band was over (or at least different) doodyhead Last edited by doodyhead; 08-31-2010 at 03:42 PM.. Reason: spelling
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#29
09-01-2010, 03:31 AM
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But to say that the Beatles didn't have much to say about what songs were put on their UK releases ("Hard Day's Night", "Rubber Soul", "Revolver" etc...), I cannot agree with. On the other hand, just a quick glance at the tracklist of say "Yesterday And Today" reveals that it is a compilation of several albums and singles. And yes, the Beatles probably had nothing to say regarding the songs on this release. The same goes with Fleetwood Mac. I mean, they recorded a bunch of songs in 1968, and put them out as "Mr. Wonderful". This is an album, and it was produced to sound like old Chess/blues recordings. "English Rose" was released much later, in 1969! It was put together by including some of the "old style" recordings of "Mr. Wonderful", plus the Albatross single and a few songs by the new member, Kirwan. A compilation! But it's nothing wrong with that, and I don’t mean to taunt this LP because I know ”English Rose” means a lot to many of you. I started my earlier post ”With all respect…” and I mean to offence no one! But what chiliD said..... Quote:
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What's the problem?!? Last edited by dansven; 09-01-2010 at 03:36 AM..
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#30
09-01-2010, 04:30 AM
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It is in no way any American fan's fault which way round the albums were released over there. So what if FM were a British band? Blondie were American but they reckon the English love them more, thus, it makes not one jot of difference where a band comes from if they have fans in another part of the word. Quote:
I'd go as far as to say that Steve is the biggest and best Blues fan I've ever had the pleasure to know and his aggravation at your crass remarks is completely justified. If I was American and you'd insulted my country in that way, I'd be every bit as annoyed, too. I wouldn't give a flying pigs foot if flipping Pious Bird had been released before Dog & Dustbin over there. If that's the way they were released, that's the way they were released and until someone invents time travel you can not change that wether you like it or not. And if When You Say is superior to Oh Well, I'm a green furry octopus.
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