Curly/Rubber Duck/Fleetwood Mac

[chriskisn]

We all know the story, Mayall gives Peter some studio time for his birthday, he takes Mick and John into the studio and cuts three tracks, Curly, Rubber Duck and Fleetwood Mac.

Later Curly and Rubber Duck appear on the Mayall album Crusade, but by they had been re-recorded with Aynsley Dunbar.

Fleetwood Mac turned up on a some FM album, can't remember which one of the top of my head and it isn't so easy to search "Fleetwood Mac" on my iTunes. I think if memory serves me correct that it was "The Original Fleetwood Mac" album or some such?

Anyway, my question is this...did the original versions of Curly and Rubber Duck, which featured Mick Fleetwood, ever get released?

Oh and I've realised that I don't actually have even the Crusade version of Rubber Duck (though I have pretty much everything else Mayall).

[dino]

Originally Posted by chriskisn

We all know the story, Mayall gives Peter some studio time for his birthday, he takes Mick and John into the studio and cuts three tracks, Curly, Rubber Duck and Fleetwood Mac.

Later Curly and Rubber Duck appear on the Mayall album Crusade, but by they had been re-recorded with Aynsley Dunbar.

Fleetwood Mac turned up on a some FM album, can't remember which one of the top of my head and it isn't so easy to search "Fleetwood Mac" on my iTunes. I think if memory serves me correct that it was "The Original Fleetwood Mac" album or some such?

Anyway, my question is this...did the original versions of Curly and Rubber Duck, which featured Mick Fleetwood, ever get released?

Oh and I've realised that I don't actually have even the Crusade version of Rubber Duck (though I have pretty much everything else Mayall).

Curly and Rubber Duck were only included on the 2007 expanded re-release of "Crusade" in 2007, 30 years after the original release. They are not re-recordings, but the original single versions. Mick Fleetwood did not play on that session at all. Peter is backed by McVie and Dunbar. Fleetwood did play on Fleetwood Mac, it's from a later session.

[chriskisn]

Originally Posted by dino

Curly and Rubber Duck were only included on the 2007 expanded re-release of "Crusade" in 2007, 30 years after the original release. They are not re-recordings, but the original single versions. Mick Fleetwood did not play on that session at all. Peter is backed by McVie and Dunbar. Fleetwood did play on Fleetwood Mac, it's from a later session.

Hmm...

Well Mick himself said something along the lines of:

"So Peter, John and I went into Decca's studios and recorded two sides of a single, 'Double Trouble' and 'It Hurts Me Too'. We also recorded three instrumentals; two of them, 'Curly' and 'Rubber Duck', were later released as B-sides of the singles. The third instrumental was a three-minute twelve-bar R&B shuffle with a fast tempo tapped on the high hat cymbal, Peter picking nimble blues changes. It was a real Chicago-sounding track, especially when Peter overdubbed a growling harmonica part, in the style of the immortal Little Walter. This third track, Peter later told us, was named after his favorite rhythm section, Fleetwood and McVie. I remember Peter Green writing down the name on the tin can that held the finished tape: 'Fleetwood Mac'."

So that means there WAS an original version of Curly and Rubber Duck that contained Fleetwood.

Apparently...

EDIT: Oh and on that note if Double Trouble and It Hurts Me Too were recorded with Fleetwood, are these two tracks the same (with Fleetwood) as what appears on Mayall's "Looking Back" album. John (wetcamelfood) you are sure to know this one.

[slipkid]

"Double Trouble", and "I Hurts Me Too", are the ONLY John Mayall songs that were recorded with Mick Fleetwood. "Curly", and " Rubber Duck" were with Aynsley Dunbar playing drums. I'm sorry chriskisn, but Mick Fleetwood has deceived you again.

Whatever interview you pulled, Mick must've been snorting his long line of cocaine from Phoenix to Los Angeles.


To correct the uninformed, a certain date in April, 1967.... the original founders (Peter Green, Mick Fleetwood, John McVie) of what was to be Fleetwood Mac recorded a jam named "Fleetwood Mac", and a slow blues named "First Train Home". Search for them on Youtube.com. Your heads will explode.

[chriskisn]

Originally Posted by slipkid

Whatever interview you pulled, Mick must've been snorting his long line of cocaine from Phoenix to Los Angeles.

Mick's book.

Edit: and Brunning's book...

[dino]

Originally Posted by chriskisn

Hmm...

Well Mick himself said something along the lines of:

"So Peter, John and I went into Decca's studios and recorded two sides of a single, 'Double Trouble' and 'It Hurts Me Too'. We also recorded three instrumentals; two of them, 'Curly' and 'Rubber Duck', were later released as B-sides of the singles. The third instrumental was a three-minute twelve-bar R&B shuffle with a fast tempo tapped on the high hat cymbal, Peter picking nimble blues changes. It was a real Chicago-sounding track, especially when Peter overdubbed a growling harmonica part, in the style of the immortal Little Walter. This third track, Peter later told us, was named after his favorite rhythm section, Fleetwood and McVie. I remember Peter Green writing down the name on the tin can that held the finished tape: 'Fleetwood Mac'."

So that means there WAS an original version of Curly and Rubber Duck that contained Fleetwood.

Apparently...

EDIT: Oh and on that note if Double Trouble and It Hurts Me Too were recorded with Fleetwood, are these two tracks the same (with Fleetwood) as what appears on Mayall's "Looking Back" album. John (wetcamelfood) you are sure to know this one.

"Hmmmm?" OK, thanks for the appreciation
You need to stop reading **** biographies with coke-induced "memories" . Double Trouble/It Hurts Me Too is on "Looking Back" and also the expanded issue of "Crusade". Now you can go ahead and ask John about it...

[chriskisn]

Originally Posted by dino

"Hmmmm?" OK, thanks for the appreciation
You need to stop reading **** biographies with coke-induced "memories" . Double Trouble/It Hurts Me Too is on "Looking Back" and also the expanded issue of "Crusade". Now you can go ahead and ask John about it...

Sorry I'm not doubting you...that is why I said "apparently" at the end of my post...we know Mick is questionable on some things...

I also know that Aynsley Dunbar is the drummer on those two tracks that appear later. What I don't know though is whether Aynsley came back to the Bluesbreakers after Fleetwood left, or were they, like you say, recorded earlier meaning Fleetwood would have no part in their recording.

However does that mean that the only song that they recorded in the studio was part of Peter's birthday present was 'Fleetwood Mac'.

Also I know that Double Trouble and It Hurts Me Too are on Looking Back, I have the album. However I was asking if the versions that appear on Looking Back were re-recorded without Fleetwood?

As for asking John, he has done such a good job with the discography on the Penguin I was sure he would know something as obscure, he usually does.

[dino]

Originally Posted by chriskisn

Sorry I'm not doubting you...that is why I said "apparently" at the end of my post...we know Mick is questionable on some things...

I also know that Aynsley Dunbar is the drummer on those two tracks that appear later. What I don't know though is whether Aynsley came back to the Bluesbreakers after Fleetwood left, or were they, like you say, recorded earlier meaning Fleetwood would have no part in their recording.

However does that mean that the only song that they recorded in the studio was part of Peter's birthday present was 'Fleetwood Mac'.

Also I know that Double Trouble and It Hurts Me Too are on Looking Back, I have the album. However I was asking if the versions that appear on Looking Back were re-recorded without Fleetwood?

As for asking John, he has done such a good job with the discography on the Penguin I was sure he would know something as obscure, he usually does.

No offence taken.
The history seems quite simple. All these tracks are the same on any record (looking Back, The Original Mac, Crusade re-release) ; if any "re-recordings" took place they have never surfaced.

Green used his "birthday present" sessions (16/02/67) to record these tracks with John McVie and Aynsley Dunbar :

CURLY
RUBBER DUCK
GREENY
MISSING YOU

Then Dunbar quit, and Mick Fleetwood was in for at least a few weeks during spring 1967.
The new Bluesbreakers line-up (Mick, Peter, Mayall and McVie) recorded one session on April 19, 1967:

DOUBLE TROUBLE
IT HURTS ME TOO

FLEETWOOD MAC
FIRST TRAIN HOME
LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY
NO PLACE TO GO

The last 4 items are really the first Fleetwood Mac recordings, and the last 2 tracks appear on the first ("Dogs and Dustbin") album.