Stevie goes to Europe

[BigAl84]

I hate to drone on about this stuff, but it's her really annoying combination of super lazy decisions yet extremely calculated. That zaps any sincerity out of it, for me personally. She knows Landslide is a big, emotional, casual-fan crowd favorite. So how do we amp it up yet another notch? Tie Christine's death into the mix. Super gross, in my opinion. I'm surprised she doesn't have a little spritzer water bottle in her pocket to mist her face with for some extra theatrics.

I wouldn't feel this way if she would have discontinued the Free Falling tribute by the next tour she did following Tom's passing. The fact that it's still there 7 years later proves it's less and less about Tom every day and more about wanting a schmaltzy schtick moment at the end of her show that completely lets her off the hook.

I'm sure by this time next year the Christine stories will be even more exaggerated and completely skewed from reality. But don't expect the photo montage to be updated with different photos, that would be too much work for this well oiled roadshow carousel of hitz. End of rant.

[BrownEyedGirl26]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

I hate to drone on about this stuff, but it's her really annoying combination of super lazy decisions yet extremely calculated. That zaps any sincerity out of it, for me personally. She knows Landslide is a big, emotional, casual-fan crowd favorite. So how do we amp it up yet another notch? Tie Christine's death into the mix. Super gross, in my opinion. I'm surprised she doesn't have a little spritzer water bottle in her pocket to mist her face with for some extra theatrics.

I wouldn't feel this way if she would have discontinued the Free Falling tribute by the next tour she did following Tom's passing. The fact that it's still there 7 years later proves it's less and less about Tom every day and more about wanting a schmaltzy schtick moment at the end of her show that completely lets her off the hook.

I'm sure by this time next year the Christine stories will be even more exaggerated and completely skewed from reality. But don't expect the photo montage to be updated with different photos, that would be too much work for this well oiled roadshow carousel of hitz. End of rant.

Hi BigAl84,

Is there any way, we can make suggestions and let her know what is best for her, going forward, so we can all stop droning on and on about her song and costume choices, etc...? I know I'm dreaming but I can't help but wonder If only.....!

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by BrownEyedGirl26

Hi BigAl84,

Is there any way, we can make suggestions and let her know what is best for her, going forward, so we can all stop droning on and on about her song and costume choices, etc...? I know I'm dreaming but I can't help but wonder If only.....!

I’m not one to tell somebody what’s best for them, but I do wonder if she has any idea how she’s alienated a huge chunk of her long-term fanbase.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by BrownEyedGirl26

Hi BigAl84,

Is there any way, we can make suggestions and let her know what is best for her, going forward, so we can all stop droning on and on about her song and costume choices, etc...? I know I'm dreaming but I can't help but wonder If only.....!

BigAl is allowed his opinion just like anybody else. Why do you try to stifle it?

[BrownEyedGirl26]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

BigAl is allowed his opinion just like anybody else. Why do you try to stifle it?

Hi HomerMcvie,

I'm not trying to stifle BigAl's opinion. On the contrary, I agree with them! I'm sorry, if it doesn't sound that way to you!

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

I wouldn't feel this way if she would have discontinued the Free Falling tribute by the next tour she did following Tom's passing. The fact that it's still there 7 years later proves it's less and less about Tom every day and more about wanting a schmaltzy schtick moment at the end of her show that completely lets her off the hook.

Free Fallin' should have been played on her Australia and New Zealand 2017 Songs From The Vault Tour it took place from November 1 through November 25, 2017. If Mike Campbell's work as a Heartbreaker or songwriter had to be showcased on the 2018-2019 Fleetwood Mac Tour, they could have done Stop Draggin' My Heart Around with Neil on vocals or Mike since Mike's singing voice sounds like Tom's, Freedom from Behind The Mask, Whole Lotta Trouble, or Blue Denim. It is what it is. Behind The Mask Tour setlist blew the 2018-2019 Tour away.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Free Fallin' should have been played on her Australia and New Zealand 2017 Songs From The Vault Tour it took place from November 1 through November 25, 2017. If Mike Campbell's work as a Heartbreaker or songwriter had to be showcased on the 2018-2019 Fleetwood Mac Tour, they could have done Stop Draggin' My Heart Around with Neil on vocals or Mike since Mike's singing voice sounds like Tom's, Freedom from Behind The Mask, Whole Lotta Trouble, or Blue Denim. It is what it is. Behind The Mask Tour setlist blew the 2018-2019 Tour away.

And?

People would still have been pissed.

The lyrics to “Free Fallin’” were poignant as a tribute to its author, especially how she slightly changed them (“I want to write your name in the sky”).

I really don’t know why you still keep pushing this narrative that the band is somehow obliged to rules -rules you made up- to play certain songs. They could play Zep IV in its entirety for all I care (which would’ve been hilarious). I mean, god forbid they feel an ounce of external inspiration.

You complain about stale setlists and then complain when they actually do something different.

[secret love]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

And?

People would still have been pissed.

The lyrics to “Free Fallin’” were poignant as a tribute to its author, especially how she slightly changed them (“I want to write your name in the sky”).

I really don’t know why you still keep pushing this narrative that the band is somehow obliged to rules -rules you made up- to play certain songs. They could play Zep IV in its entirety for all I care (which would’ve been hilarious). I mean, god forbid they feel an ounce of external inspiration.

You complain about stale setlists and then complain when they actually do something different.

All most people do on The Ledge is complain. Myself included

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

And?

People would still have been pissed.

The lyrics to “Free Fallin’” were poignant as a tribute to its author, especially how she slightly changed them (“I want to write your name in the sky”).

I really don’t know why you still keep pushing this narrative that the band is somehow obliged to rules -rules you made up- to play certain songs. They could play Zep IV in its entirety for all I care (which would’ve been hilarious). I mean, god forbid they feel an ounce of external inspiration.

You complain about stale setlists and then complain when they actually do something different.

What rule did I promulgate in the post I made that you replied too? That Stevie should have only done Free Fallin in 2017. It's not a rule. It's my opinion. 2017 is when Tom passed. That would have been a nice tribute then. Doing it in 2018, IMO, was a year too late. I think showing Mike's work with Stevie would have been external inspiration. I also don't feel Don't Dream It's Over should have been played, AS A PAYING CUSTOMER. My opinion... I guess you want it written before every sentence... My Opinion. Let Michele tell me to do that and I will.

I paid a lot of money to go to four shows in 2018 and 2019, before I knew what the setlist was. Your rule is that you don't want to hear criticism of the 2018 Tour setlist. Never respectful to people's posts. Stop being so grouchy, hiding behind your keyboard. It's a community discussion board. We're all human beings. As Mick says: be kind to one another. Perhaps you don't applaud when he says that.

Fleetwood Mac has done something different in every setlist since The Dance.

[BigAl84]

Pushing narratives is kinda exactly what we're talking about here....a Tom Petty tribute that's still in the encore slot of a Stevie Nicks show almost 8 years after his death in addition to the revisionist push to portray her and Prince as best friends. It's some wacky sh*t at this point, IMO.

Perhaps I'm too pessimistic, but I find it to be a major flex to cough it all up to external inspiration at this point. She's always been driven by what gets the biggest audience response and she's taking the Petty & Prince tribute to the effing bank because it works.

I didn't see a single 2018 show out of principle, but I also knew there was a 75% shot that anything unique they would do with pre-75 material would be scrubbed from the setlist after an initial trial period. It turns out, thats pretty much what happened.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

I didn't see a single 2018 show out of principle, but I also knew there was a 75% shot that anything unique they would do with pre-75 material would be scrubbed from the setlist after an initial trial period. It turns out, thats pretty much what happened.

2018 is the first tour I've ever missed. Because it was ABSOLUTELY CRIMINAL firing Lindsey. And I refused to support that. Thanks a lot, $tevie.

[secret love]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

2018 is the first tour I've ever missed. Because it was ABSOLUTELY CRIMINAL firing Lindsey. And I refused to support that. Thanks a lot, $tevie.

Obviously not literally a crime and while I too was disappointed that Lindsey was fired, may I point out that this happens in bands all the time. Talented musicians and talented people in general are fired all the time for interpersonal reasons despite being very good at what they do, be it playing guitar or Excel spreadsheets.

It's amazing Lindsey and Stevie were able to work together for as long as they did despite absolutely hating each other's guts.

[David]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

I didn't see a single 2018 show out of principle, but I also knew there was a 75% shot that anything unique they would do with pre-75 material would be scrubbed from the setlist after an initial trial period. It turns out, thats pretty much what happened.

I took a quick glance at the set lists on Wiki. I know they dropped this and that, but the sets were great on paper. You had all the hits, of course, but also the long-lost additions:

• Black Magic Woman
• Tell Me All the Things You Do
• World Turning
• All Over Again
• Hypnotized
• Isn’t It Midnight
• Man of the World
• Blue Letter (at one concert)

I don’t think the performances on Don’t Dream It’s Over or Free Fallin’ or I Got You were great enough to warrant including any of them in the set, but whaddya gonna do?

This all proves, to me and once again, that it doesn’t really matter what they play as much as how they play. Put some spice or novelty in it, and you can play anything — even Peaches & Herb.

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by David

I took a quick glance at the set lists on Wiki. I know they dropped this and that, but the sets were great on paper. You had all the hits, of course, but also the long-lost additions:

• Black Magic Woman
• Tell Me All the Things You Do
• World Turning
• All Over Again
• Hypnotized
• Isn’t It Midnight
• Man of the World
• Blue Letter (at one concert)

I don’t think the performances on Don’t Dream It’s Over or Free Fallin’ or I Got You were great enough to warrant including any of them in the set, but whaddya gonna do?

This all proves, to me and once again, that it doesn’t really matter what they play as much as how they play. Put some spice or novelty in it, and you can play anything — even Peaches & Herb.

I agree. I never thought Mike's style ever really gelled with the '75-'87 material. It's nothing against him, he just wasn't the best fit for that material. The blues stuff? heck yeah! I think Rick & Billy were a better fit for that Rumours material.

In terms of how they played the material, in my opinion the setlist created a hodge podge/ junk drawer experience. I think they picked up on the weirdness of the setlist relatively quickly, but falsely blamed it on the pre '75 material and the amount of it.

This is how I'd organize the show. Ideally I would cut I Got You and Don't Dream, but if we had to keep it - this is what I came up with.

The Chain
Little Lies
Dreams
Second Hand News
Say You Love Me
Everywhere
Rhiannon

PRE '75 SET
Man Of The World
Black Magic Woman
Tell me All The Things You Do
Hypnotized
Oh Well


BAND INTRO > New Member Material
I Got You
Don't Dream It's Over

Monday Morning
Isn't It Midnight
Landslide
Storms
You Make Loving Fun
Gold Dust Woman
Go Your Own Way

ENCORE
World Turning
Don't Stop

ENCORE 2
Free Falling
All Over Again

[BrownEyedGirl26]

Originally Posted by David

I took a quick glance at the set lists on Wiki. I know they dropped this and that, but the sets were great on paper. You had all the hits, of course, but also the long-lost additions:

• Black Magic Woman
• Tell Me All the Things You Do
• World Turning
• All Over Again
• Hypnotized
• Isn’t It Midnight
• Man of the World
• Blue Letter (at one concert)

I don’t think the performances on Don’t Dream It’s Over or Free Fallin’ or I Got You were great enough to warrant including any of them in the set, but whaddya gonna do?

This all proves, to me and once again, that it doesn’t really matter what they play as much as how they play. Put some spice or novelty in it, and you can play anything — even Peaches & Herb.

Hi David, Exactly this, in a nutshell! "It doesn't matter what they play but how they play". If they look like they're enjoying playing then we will enjoy watching them.