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Again, no one has contradicted my point. The WH and staff are responsible - period. But, all this implication that W, CR, and others were respeatedly warned and did absolutely nothing is just tommyrot in my book. None of the evidence from anyone, including Clarke, supports that. BTW - W is a schmo and needs to get the boot. |
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It seems the WH in July 2001 ordered the FBO to do something as evidenced in this NY Times Art. today.
_______________________________________________________________ from http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/12/po...68738453237481 Disclosures Put F.B.I.'s Actions Under Scrutiny April 12, 2004 By ERIC LICHTBLAU WASHINGTON, April 11 - New disclosures about the warnings President Bush received before Sept. 11, 2001, are fueling a central question for the commission investigating the attacks on that date: What exactly was the F.B.I. doing that summer to deter an attack by Al Qaeda on American soil? The answer, Mr. Bush said on Sunday, was that the Federal Bureau of Investigation was investigating known links to Osama bin Laden in the United States, with 70 active cases reported that summer. "That's great, that's what we expect the F.B.I. to do," he told reporters. Critics of the F.B.I., however, say the bureau missed numerous opportunities to head off the attacks. Agents that summer were tracking tantalizing leads that included a suspicious flight student in Minneapolis, an ominous warning in Phoenix and a phone call to a United States embassy in the Middle East. But investigations were stymied by miscommunication, dead ends, bureaucratic and legal obstacles and unclear priorities, officials say. And it is still unclear what the bureau's response was to a classified White House memo in July 2001, which officials said directed all 56 field offices to increase surveillance of suspected terrorists. The commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks will hear testimony this week from current and former law enforcement and intelligence officials, including Attorney General John Ashcroft; his predecessor, Janet Reno; Robert S. Mueller III, the director of the F.B.I.; and Louis J. Freeh and Thomas J. Pickard, former directors. Among the main questions will be whether the bureau responded aggressively enough to warnings in the summer of 2001 and whether the internal changes made since go far enough to solve structural problems. A joint Congressional committee concluded last year that the F.B.I. and the Central Intelligence Agency had failed to heed warnings about Al Qaeda's desire to strike the United States and that intelligence officials had "missed opportunities to disrupt the Sept. 11 plot." Slade Gorton, a Republican member of the Sept. 11 commission, said on "Fox News Sunday," "It seems to me the F.B.I. has more questions to answer than Condoleezza Rice or Dick Clarke or anyone we've had testify before us so far." Mr. Gorton said he was interested "in these so-called 70 field investigations." "I don't know where they were," he said. "I don't know what they did. I don't think they got to a point where anyone could take action on them." A senior F.B.I. official who spoke on condition of anonymity said the 70 investigations cited in the White House briefing "show that we were actively looking at what was going on with anyone who might be connected to bin Laden, but we did not have specifics on the plot." Lee H. Hamilton and Richard Ben-Veniste, Democratic members of the 9/11 panel, said in interviews on Sunday that this week's hearings would be critical in reaching recommendations about the F.B.I.'s future role in fighting terrorism. Mr. Ben-Veniste said, "There's general agreement that despite the extraordinary individual efforts of F.B.I. agents, there is a dysfunctional element in the operation that interfered with its efficient counterterrorism functions" before Sept. 11. Mr. Hamilton, the co-chairman of the commission, said Mr. Mueller "wants genuinely to change the culture of the F.B.I." "The question is how effective is that effort and how long-lasting will it be when you have different leadership." Mr. Hamilton said. At the time of the attacks, the bureau was undergoing a change in leadership, with Mr. Freeh having left in June 2001, and it was consumed with internal problems like the arrest of an agent, Robert P. Hanssen, on espionage charges and the disappearance of documents in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. But critics said such issues did not fully explain the bureau's inability to piece together strands of information before Sept. 11. "The F.B.I.'s budget for counterterrorism was vastly increased prior to 9/11, and its failure to take serious note of the threat is really just unfathomable," said Daniel Benjamin, a former National Security Council aide. Mr. Freeh, in an op-ed article for Monday's issue of The Wall Street Journal, defended the Bush administration for its "prompt response and focus on terrorism." He added, "The fact that terrorism and the war being waged by Al Qaeda was not even an issue in the 2000 presidential campaign strongly suggests that the political will to declare and fight this war didn't exist before Sept. 11." In the weeks and months before the attacks, as an alarming rise in possible terrorist warnings was detected, F.B.I. agents pursued leads that signaled the possibility of an attack within the United States: ¶In the United Arab Emirates, the United States Embassy received a call in May saying that "a group of bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives," according to a briefing that was given to Mr. Bush on Aug. 6, 2001, and was declassified on Saturday. ¶In Phoenix, an F.B.I. agent warned superiors in July that he suspected extremists might be training at American flight schools and urged a nationwide inquiry. ¶In Minneapolis, a French citizen named Zacarias Moussaoui was arrested on immigration charges in August after arousing suspicions at a flight training school. ¶In Seattle, interrogations of Ahmed Ressam, arrested in 1999 in a failed attempt to blow up Los Angeles International Airport, revealed details about Qaeda's tactics. ¶In New York City, the bureau had detected "recent surveillance of federal buildings," pointing to possible preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, according to the Aug. 6, 2001, briefing memorandum. ¶In Yemen, an investigation into the 2000 bombing of the Navy destroyer Cole brought the F.B.I. and the C.I.A. close to 2 of the 19 eventual hijackers. But the leads ultimately went nowhere. Supervisors deemed the Phoenix memorandum too speculative. A Minneapolis agent said headquarters had blocked her office from conducting a more aggressive investigation into Mr. Moussaoui, now charged with conspiracy in the Sept. 11 plot. Miscommunication between the C.I.A. and the F.B.I. prevented investigators from discovering that the two hijackers linked to the Cole bombing were living in San Diego. Men suspected of casing New York buildings were found to be Yemeni tourists, and the United Arab Emirates report also appears to have been unconnected to the Sept. 11 plot, White House officials said. "You add all the different leads together and you see colossal, glaring failures," said Kristen Breitweiser, whose husband died in the attacks. "The overriding question is, what did we do in the summer of '01, knowing that there was going to be an impending domestic attack by Al Qaeda?" ________________________________________________________________ |
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Again, I think they are resp. because it happened on their shift, but you cannot truthfully say they did 100% nada IMO - the facts just do not support it. BTW - not a personal attack (as you know) |
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...2/MN229389.DTL
Willie Brown got low-key early warning about air travel Phillip Matier, Andrew Ross Wednesday, September 12, 2001 For Mayor Willie Brown, the first signs that something was amiss came late Monday when he got a call from what he described as his airport security - - a full eight hours before yesterday's string of terrorist attacks -- advising him that Americans should be cautious about their air travel. The mayor, who was booked to fly to New York yesterday morning from San Francisco International Airport, said the call "didn't come in any alarming fashion, which is why I'm hesitant to make an alarming statement." In fact, at the time, he didn't pay it much mind. "It was not an abnormal call. I'm always concerned if my flight is going to be on time, and they always alert me when I ought to be careful." Exactly where the call came from is a bit of a mystery. The mayor would say only that it came from "my security people at the airport." Mike McCarron, assistant deputy director at SFO, said the Federal Aviation Administration "routinely" issues security notices about possible threats. He said two or three such notices have been received in the past couple of months, but none in recent days. Whatever the case, Brown didn't think about it again until he was up, dressed and waiting for his ride to the airport for an 8 a.m. flight to New York, where he was to attend a state retirement board meeting. That was when he turned on the TV, and like millions of other Americans, saw the twin towers of the World Trade Center crumble and the Pentagon go up in smoke. |
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HINT: The "70 open investigations" have been called into question by a great deal of government officials.
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Put this in your mouth and chew:
Officials: Pre-9/11 Memo Excluded Data By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - Just one day after President Bush (news - web sites) received a pre-Sept. 11 briefing on al-Qaida's effort to strike on U.S. soil, senior government executives received a similarly titled memo that excluded information about current threats and investigations, say federal officials who have read both documents. The Aug. 7, 2001 memo, known as the senior executive intelligence brief or SEIB, didn't mention the 70 FBI (news - web sites) investigations into possible al-Qaida activity that Bush had been told of a day earlier in a memo entitled "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in U.S.," the officials said Monday. The senior executives' memo also did not mention a threat received in May 2001 of a U.S.-based explosives attacks or say that the FBI had concerns about recent casing of buildings in New York, the officials told The Associated Press. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the senior executives' memo remains classified. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._al_qaida_memo
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Prove it - you can't and you know it Clearly ALL sources who have testified before the 9/11 Commission have DIRECTLY STATED the current adminsitration was doing things, they just were not doing enough to connect the dots. I mean that the FBI had files on these people is dispositive of my point and directly contradicts your point Last edited by strandinthewind; 04-12-2004 at 10:05 PM.. |
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BTW - The Shrub is giving a PRIME TIME press concert tommorow night. W is in hot water on this and I think his Presidency depends on how he does tommorow night. Personally, I hope he fails because I want him out of office.
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But, while I can't prove anything until someone leaks my suspicions, I know what my heart says.
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I thought he was coked out of his gourd, though.
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