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Personally, I'm not invested in him enough emotionally to be affected by these allegations (in other words, it's not like when I found out my childhood idol Michael Jordan wasn't a very nice guy). Truthfully, I look at this moreover through the lens of my experiences and career, and approach her story the same way I would with anyone similar to her situation, and accept her experiences as true to her. I've read stories and met people where I've seen obvious lies and exaggerations, but in this instance, I found her greater points on being in an abusive relationship as credible. Unlike many of you, I likely don't know enough about the band to be able to discredit her finer details anyway, so maybe that skews my view? Would non LB/FM fans give her as much credibility as me? Give her more credibility? Less? We could go back and forth on that, but she hasn't really given me any reason to think she's outright lying in her greater narrative. And again, it's not just her book. It's his own words in describing himself back then. It's others' description of him. In cases with abuse, you're never going to see the actual abuse, you're not always going to have witnesses, and you're not always going to see the marks, especially if the abuse isn't physical. So you have to learn to be very intuitive about certain behavior patterns when it comes to all forms of abuse - child abuse, sexual abuse, emotional abuse, etc. (And it goes without saying but nonetheless: intuitions can be wrong, and patterns can be misleading and I'd most wholeheartedly and sincerely welcome being wrong on this issue. Regardless, it seems to me that he's gone through a lot of positive changes, and you can especially see that in his lyrics. I'm still an enthusiastic fan of his music and his history doesn't change that.) Edit: so I found that passage, and the way I read it is that Lindsey did pull her hair and purposely dragged her, and while you may disagree, I think Carol is indicating that Christine did see this happening. Pg. 222 "...Before I could say another word, he grabbed a fistful of my hair and floored the gas. Jerked forward, I desperately tried to hold onto the car door as I was dragged by the hair down Christine's driveway. I could hear her screaming, "Lindsey, stop the car! Stop! Stop!" over the sound of Lindsey's voice muttering unintelligible words as I stumbled to my knees still trying to hold on. "Then as I was falling as Lindsey finally let go...I felt hands helping me to my feet and through blurred eyes I saw Christine's startled face as she asked me over and over if I was ok..." |
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As far as witness comments, I am aware you don't get them most of the times in these cases. I don't say that that's what makes her less credible to me. These are usually he said/ she said events, because this most often happens in private. My point was that the fact that she says someone saw does not make it sound more valid to me than if she hadn't said anyone saw. After a tell-all is published, I think it's very unlikely that anyone would run forward and say, 'I didn't see that!' Even if they actually didn't. It would make more sense for Lindsey to deny things he's accused of as perpetrator (and some people assume it's true because he hasn't) than for alleged witnesses to say, "Oh I deny that happened." If asked by a reporter maybe they would see they never saw any such thing, but I don't think anyone is going to be proactive and say, "Oh I never saw that happen," even if they didn't. My impression of Carol (like her saying that audience members saw through her transparent skirt and started reacting to her when she was standing in the wings of a concert) is that she exaggerates what people see where she was concerned. Michele |
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In regards to LB/SN, I'm sure their love was genuine, but I've always felt that that relationship was highly toxic (well, that goes for most of the relationships in the band at one point). But in specific regards to SN/LB, the jealousy, possessiveness, and raging anger between them was just so dysfunctional and not really a healthy love. In the "real world," I don't think people would encourage a couple like that to get back together. |
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Thanks! That's awesome. I remember seeing it before.
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Sad, but true.
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Sure, it's possible that Lindsey wasn't in love with Carol. But it's just as possible that he was. Love comes in varying degrees, and forms, and for all we know, he's currently married to the love of his life. Or maybe not. How do we know? Personally, I just hope he's happy, and that he's loved. Same as I'd wish for anyone I cared about.
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We can't really say what any of their feelings were then or are now - how compatible or toxic or whether Stevie/Lindsey or Lindsey/Carol would have lasted under different circumstances. Those speculations are truly only accurate if you are able to make your observations in the very inner circle.
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yup, he usually says that. how hard and unhealthy it was to be around the person you are broken up with and not being able to get a closure because they are always there and you need to work with them (and you gotta compartmentalize ). and how he never found that closure until finally leaving 1987, to restore his own sanity. guess it's been slowly uphill for LB since then.
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Exactly. I don't really care to speculate on his marriage. I hope he's blissfully in love with his wife, personally. I'm talking about a girlfriend from 30 years ago here. But I'm not just making a wild guess on this- there is a lot of information (30 years worth) out there (interviews, written and televised, song lyrics, etc.) that make me come to that conclusion.
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Ok, while we are on the subject of this book, can I just ask about the content OTHER than the abuse? I have already heard all about that and all the opinions about it...but are there any other interesting tidbits/stories about LB that make the book worth getting? I have literally debated getting it for months now. I know some of the abuse accusations can be pretty tough to read, but are there any other stories she gives that just gives us more insight to LB...for us fans? Him being funny? Romantic? Dramatic? Cute? Funny FM stories?
I did hear the Kenny Rogers story. That's a goodie |
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