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If you remember well the problem was that the animosity had spread from the specific threads to the other forums, and there were many remarks among the threads in those band's forum that had nothing to do with music but stemmed from the political antipaties instead. This made people who wanted to avoid political discussion impossible to read serenely and many decided to abandon the forum altogether.
Well, no, I personally don't recall that happening. I remember people (myself included) being annoyed with welcomechris elsewhere (about other things) but I didn't personally see anything political spreading into other forums. If it did happen (as I'm sure it did) then I don't think I witnessed it personally. However, if that did happen then the logical thing would have been to warn and then sanction individual offenders. Indeed, I'm aware welcomechris is no longer here- I don't know if thats connected. I don't understand what you are trying to say. This is not about me, it's about respect of the rules. Yes, before the ban I used to contribute to the discussions, trying to always be respectful of the norms, and after the ban I stopped as (almost) everyone else did, and if the ban will be revoked chances are I'll contribute again. I don't make rules. I am trying to say you were a fervent and valued participant in discussion. I'm sure you won't outright say so but I suspect you yourself would consider banning discussion of certain topics to be rather silly. I appreciate there are rules but some rules seem to be arbitarily made up. Again I don't fully understand what you are advocating. It has been said that the ban wasn't necessarily permanent because it's true. From what I know and remember it's not the first time that a hot topic has been temporarily prohibited to blow some steam off, and you should have been a member for longer than me. Why this time is this prohibition impossible to respect? Sorry, I don't recall any other occasions in which topics have been 'temporarily prohibited'. What happened on other occasions? I'd say this ban has clearly been respected; nobody has posted any overtly polictical comments. The only comments that have been made about the subject involve digs about the decision that was taken, not the topic itself. I think it was suggested the ban may only be temporary as a means for backtracking on what was a bit of an ill-judged decision. So, it was suggested the ban be temporary as a means for cooling-off. When exactly is the ban likely to be lifted? Or are we to be on hold indefinitely? Until after the US election? And what then, another ban in the run up to the next one? I don't care about whether I can or cannot discuss politics here too. I'm not here for that. I'm a member of other forums and there if someone makes Outside Themed posts they get outright canceled and if someone attempts to make provocative posts they get outright banned. I think they're a bit strict but their house, their rules. It's not just about politics, it's about heated topics in general. I still just cannot for the life of me see why people can't come to this place they know and love and engage in intelligent discussion about whatever burning issues they wish to discuss. Provided threads are clearly labelled then people do not have to read things and comment if they choose not to. The crazy thing is, any one of us can go onto any of the other forums and say pretty much anything we want so long as it isn't deemed directly offensive towards any other Ledge member. In fact, I could probably go on 'Rumours' right now and post a thread entitled 'Stevie Nicks thinks Donald Trump is a fat ignorant buffoon because...' and it would probably be okay so long as I'm discussing the views of a member of Fleetwood Mac. The actual topics themselves don't really bother me- its just the way its done and the way people are treated. 'Tongue in cheek' threats of banning valued members just for making light hearted digs is silly. I enjoy checking in on the Ledge but I dont like tiptoing around worrying about what posts I'm making or whether threads may be deemed too offensive. Bloody hell, this is the internet. There is far worse out there to worry about. Whatever happens, please treat us contributors as grown-ups and please, please avoid the patronising tone. |
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Now the hot topics are in the Rumours and Stevie forums .LOL . Most forums ban the hot topics like politics,religion and any other hot subjects. As we found out it does not take much to come unglued over opinions on things in those hot topics.
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spilling over into the other sections. The Rumours section is much more volatile (non-political) any day of the week than the Chit Chat section. Being warned personally is strange. As it's usually more of a "you guys better stop...". Me pushing the boundaries? Whatever that means, my posts when not being serious are meant to be taken as simple tall tales that I hope bring a smile once in a while to some members. Also I use the stories to break some info at times. My threads bare that out. I wouldn't go as far as some to suggest that it's a privilege to post here at The Ledge. I would call it a pleasure. That's closer to the truth for me at least. If that's taken away, oh well. |
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Its sad to say I just got a invitation in the mail yesterday to my class reunion which is on the same date as Stevie's show at the Mohegan Sun on the 25th of November .I have not been to any reunions yet in my life so it looks like Stevie wins with this decision hands down. Maybe next time if I'm still alive.
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Yes It picked up because Stevie is on the road. Also we picked up new Ledgies too which is great .Welcome to the board guys.Also I have to add that I took a summer break from the keyboard between July and August.When I came back .It was dead except for the" Is Stevie going to record with FM "topics.
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I think there's some confusion among the members about how The Ledge works.
Like Louie has said this forum is owned by Michele and she pays and puts effort to keep running it for free, which in my opinion makes her a saint because I wouldn't do it even if I was payed for it. So, like all forums, this is a private space like it would be at all intents and purposes Michele's house or whatever other property. We moderators help her keeping it in order, for example removing fake profiles, spam posts or outrageously insulting posts. Sometimes if someone has collected more of the above infractions or has committed a particularly big one they may get suspended or banned; these decisions are discussed together. To me it's obvious that the measures regard the single person alone, so they're not publicized for all the ledgies to see, this is not a courthouse and there's no need to hold people up for ridicule or otherwise involve other members that aren't aware of all the infractions the person in question may have committed. Sometimes circumstances may arise in which "extraordinary measures" have to be applied. In fact, for example, in my early days as a ledgie I clearly remember discussions about Stevie's abortions rapidly escalated and that lead to a temporary block for, I think, two weeks. I also remember one of the oldest members saying that it wasn't the first time, and in fact a similar scenario repeated himself, even if without blocking, at least another time in my permanence here. Now the problem is that while "overtly" political comments have been avoided, since I became a moderator I noticed many people have repeatedly poked the subject in not even a very subtle way (and I'm not talking about the criticism of the last days) which honestly feels like being jerked around. Adult behaviour and criticism aren't anything close to it. The ban has never thought to be permanent, noone is backtracking, it's just me wrongly deciding that explaining its impermanence would have been a good decision, I thought people would have been relieved and it would have lifted the mood a bit. It seems I was wrong in believing that people would have handled the information maturely instead of jumping to conclusions on their own. The initial idea was to restore the topic at some yet uncertain date after the elections; I was vague about it because the date is still to decide and also I don't make promises to anyone since it's a decision that doesn't rely on me alone and also if the infractions would continue it could be necessary to change plans. Next time, if you want to know I suggest that you simply ask, so we both can act and be treated like adults. As it's been pointed out, the majority of other forums don't tolerate hot topic discussions. No one has talked of privileges but it is a bonus having a chit-chat section. Now that I'm more internet savy I was expecting the ban happening, and it doesn't have anything to do with my personal tolerance of political discussions, for example from what I understood Louie is even more tolerant than me on the topic. The ban itself in this perspective is indeed a warning. I'd like to point out that while it may be true that there was a particularly problematic member, it would be wrong to shift all of the blame for what has happened onto him. It takes more than a single person to make a fight, maybe one is a troublemaker but he needs others that lead him on to make trouble. Now sorry but I have to start getting fabulous for Halloween. Last edited by SisterNightroad; 11-01-2016 at 12:50 PM.. |
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