Stevie's everywhere except in the studio.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by elle

you.

all major decisions should be sorted out by now. and i hope they are. but yeah, we have no clue. this whole thread is a complete speculation. but fun nevertheless.

I said she may still be deciding... I didn't say she's only started to decide.

I do agree with you that the speculation is fun. I also agree that all the major decisions may have already been ironed out.

[elle]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Still seemed a lot closer to his vision than anyone else's.

there were visions other than his? what were they, How To Compose Popular Songs That Will Sell (in the words of Bob Geldof)?

i pray to commercial gods...

[Macfanforever]

We are so lucky at this moment that all 5 members will be standing in front of us in person this fall.

If they record.Its a bonus for us.I'm not going to hold it against them if they dont.

We just got to relax wait and see what they will do and we will be the first ones to find out.

In time. We got our IYD DVD's even signed by Stevie.Also we got a EP of FM.

Just like when the rumours were floating around when Chris was with Mick at his place and later she wanted to join FM for those shows in London plus the news that she want rejoin FM for this upcoming tour.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by elle

there were visions other than his? what were they, How To Compose Popular Songs That Will Sell (in the words of Bob Geldof)?

i pray to commercial gods...

Edgy and avant-garde aren't the only visions an artist can have for their songs. You can also want to craft music that people can relate to. That will have wide appeal.

(And Stevie only said she prayed to the "commercial gods" regarding one song -- "Say You Will." Can anyone argue that "Running Through The Garden" or "Illume" or "Goodbye Baby" are commercial? She wrote those songs too, ya know.)

[elle]

Originally Posted by Macfanforever

We are so lucky at this moment that all 5 members will be standing in front of us in person this fall.

If they record.Its a bonus for us.I'm not going to hold it against them if they dont.

We just got to relax wait and see what they will do and we will be the first ones to find out.

well some of us do not like the idea of them doing a cash-grab tour, then an album, then another tour, which seems to be going at least through 2016.

Lindsey is 64. i'd like to see a few more solo albums and interesting tours out of him while he's in his prolific phase, instead of this running in the rat wheel trying to get one FM album out for the last 5 years now, while doing boring GH cash-grab tours which are extremely expensive to go to. and it looks like it will be at least one more year before we actually get to see it out, and that seems to be the best case scenario. apparently you all are telling me i should be happy with that turn of events. but i'm not. i'm extremely unhappy and disappointed.

[elle]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Edgy and avant-garde aren't the only visions an artist can have for their songs. You can also want to craft music that people can relate to. That will have wide appeal.

(And Stevie only said she prayed to the "commercial gods" regarding one song -- "Say You Will." Can anyone argue that "Running Through The Garden" or "Illume" or "Goodbye Baby" are commercial? She wrote those songs too, ya know.)

ah. thought we were discussing a vision for the album, not songs.

(yeah, i try to forget those songs are on SYW )

[ragrsrocalot]

Originally Posted by Macfanforever

mWe are so lucky at this moment that all 5 members will be standing in front of us in person this fall.

If they record.Its a bonus for us.I'm not going to hold it against the if they dont.

We just got to relax wait and see what they will do and we will be the first ones to find out.

In time. We got our IYD DVD's even signed by Stevie.Also we got a EP of FM.

Just like when the rumours were floating around when Chris was with Mick at his place and later she wanted to join FM for those shows in London plus the news that she want rejoin FM for this upcoming tour.

Exactly!!!

[Macfanforever]

Originally Posted by elle

well some of us do not like the idea of them doing a cash-grab tour, then an album, then another tour, which seems to be going at least through 2016.

Lindsey is 64. i'd like to see a few more solo albums and interesting tours out of him while he's in his prolific phase, instead of this running in the rat wheel trying to get one FM album out for the last 5 years now, while doing boring GH cash-grab tours which are extremely expensive to go to. and it looks like it will be at least one more year before we actually get to see it out, and that seems to be the best case scenario. apparently you all are telling me i should be happy with that turn of events. but i'm not. i'm extremely unhappy and disappointed.

Yes I agree on that also with these ticket prices lately .they're nuts.So far I'm only scheduled to see one show in the fall with these inflated tix prices.

If they tour in summer 2015 I will catch more shows hopefully cheaper tix prices at the shed shows.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by elle

ah. thought we were discussing a vision for the album, not songs.

It's the same difference, no? When you're crafting songs with an eye toward releasing an album, then it follows that whatever vision you have for the songs is the vision you have for the album as a whole.

Stevie envisioned an album that sounded more like "Fleetwood Mac." Seems that many fans and critics were hoping for the same thing.

Originally Posted by elle

(yeah, i try to forget those songs are on SYW )

Of course you do -- Stevie wrote them.

[MikeVielhaber]

Originally Posted by Macfanforever

We are so lucky at this moment that all 5 members will be standing in front of us in person this fall.

If they record.Its a bonus for us.I'm not going to hold it against them if they dont.

We just got to relax wait and see what they will do and we will be the first ones to find out.

In time. We got our IYD DVD's even signed by Stevie.Also we got a EP of FM.

Just like when the rumours were floating around when Chris was with Mick at his place and later she wanted to join FM for those shows in London plus the news that she want rejoin FM for this upcoming tour.

I disagree on the premise the an album is a bonus. I likely will have to skip the tour because costs are prohibitive, but an album is something I can afford AND lasts forever. They're two separate things, not one added to the other.

That being said, the way the talk about recording an album seems like they expect it to happen....not a case of maybe it'll happen or maybe it won't....which is a stance they've taken before.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber

I disagree on the premise the an album is a bonus. I likely will have to skip the tour because costs are prohibitive, but an album is something I can afford AND lasts forever. They're two separate things, not one added to the other.

I'm with you, Mike -- I don't go to concerts, so I'm most looking forward to an album. I want new music, dagnabbit!!

I really do believe it's going to happen though, so I'm not stressing.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

If Lindsey dragged his feet to the point where she had no choice, what else is she going to do? As we've seen many times with this band, passive-aggressively is certainly one way to force your will on someone.

But no one said that Lindsey's delay in signing the contract had anything to do with the engineer not having time. That connection was not made in the documentary. No one said, "if you'd gotten to me 2 days earlier," I could have done it. It sounded like the guy's schedule was booked.

And Stevie could certainly have found another engineer if she really disliked Needham's work. Lord-Alge was not the only one on the planet.

And just because Karen and Stevie's camp said that Lindsey was dragging his feet, that's not proof that that's actually what he was doing. That's just their perception. He and Dimitriades had another opinion of what the hold up was.

Stevie ended up using Lindsey's engineer but there is no evidence that it was Lindsey's fault that she had to.

As for sequencing, one of the Beatles' big complaints was that Capitol was messing up the sequencing on their albums or "butchering" them, as they said. I guess they had it their way on the British releases, but then when the album was done in the U.S. the sequencing was what the record company wanted and not what the band wanted. Lennon has given interviews about this.

Being in the place where the music equipment is and hearing the various track selections in different orders during the decision making process naturally gives the person on location more influence than the people in "Hawaii" get.

Michele

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by elle

apparently you all are telling me i should be happy with that turn of events.

You should be and when you went to the first show of the last tour, your eyes should have been gleaming and dewy about Sad Angel. You shouldn't have been "disappointed."

Michele

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Lindsey's exact quote was:

"The only reason I was willing to eat the kind of money that would have made the double-album possible, in terms of bringing the price down... I had to contemplate a scenario which would have been to do much more touring, to do another album and to do more touring after that."

I don't think Lindsey finished his sentence about bringing the price down.

Seeing as how the second album would not have paid for anything, but only would have cost more money, the second album could not have been envisioned to pay off the double album any more than Mirage paid off Tusk.

Michele

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

So, yeah, Lindsey's been championing a new album for quite a few years now -- and that's great. But looking at it from Stevie's perspective, who in their right mind would want to willingly put themselves through that kind of stress again?

Mick, John and mainly Lindsey worked their asses off for almost a year on SN her songs. She wasn't there, until the vocal parts were planned in her schedule. She was not happy with the result and the sequencing.

Why? Because she wasn't there when they recorded and arranged her instrumental tracks, and I believe she was in Hawaii when Lindsey conquered the sequencing and handed in an album that was not sequencedin Stevie's way. (Again, she wasn't there).

If you are a band, be there, and influence the process. If You're not. Stop whining afterwards. You can defend her until eternity, I 'm basicly very sad that she does not record with Chris, Mick and Lindsey now. She should. There will NOT be a good FM album without the influence from all, as a unity.