Kristen Speaks again calls Mick A Coward

[AliceLover]

Stevie is certainly reflective. Her views/opinions do change as time go on. If I had to predict, I think she will regret this decision. There's absolutely no chance Mick, John and Chris can do another tour. This is it. You know Stevie will take 3 years to do whatever she wants to do. They can't wait that long. I feel that this is the end of FM touring/performing.

[cbBen]

Originally Posted by AliceLover

Stevie is certainly reflective. Her views/opinions do change as time go on. If I had to predict, I think she will regret this decision. There's absolutely no chance Mick, John and Chris can do another tour. This is it. You know Stevie will take 3 years to do whatever she wants to do. They can't wait that long. I feel that this is the end of FM touring/performing.

I don't mean to say they feel contrite or responsible, but I bet they all regretted it as soon as Lindsey had a heart attack.

[elle]

Originally Posted by cbBen

I don't mean to say they feel contrite or responsible, but I bet they all regretted it as soon as Lindsey had a heart attack.

there was certainly nothing they did in public to show that regret so i really don't know what people are basing such opinions on. that they might be decent people? we already saw over the last year they are not.

[michelej1]

You know, about Christine, unless she just totally hates Lindsey's guts, what is her problem??

I mean, she's kind of bullet proof. What could Stevie have done to her if she didn't take Stevie's side? Stevie could refuse to tour, but let's be honest, Stevie wants the FM money as well. If she flounced off and refused to tour, she would only hold out another year and then she'd cave in and do another tour, even if she said she wouldn't. But refusing to tour is the only power Stevie has over Christine.

Stevie can't push Christine out of the band, because she'd look awful. What would that do to her public image, mistreating another woman who is a musician (unlike Stevie), who is responsible for some of the band's hookiest (if not deepest) tunes, who is older than Stevie and who is not widely thought to be as sexy. I mean, Christine looks great to me, but I mean the general public. Stevie would look like the "mean girl" and self-centered bully if she tried to get rid of Christine. So, Christine could basically curse Stevie out and say she would never agree to firing Lindsey. Stevie would have no recourse. Why couldn't Christine just stand up to her.

Christine used to tell people off all the time. Remember how Mick said that Stevie tried to throw a tantrum because she wasn't on Tango and Christine told her off and said the reason she wasn't on Tango was because she wasn't there? Christine made Stevie pipe down. She was like, "I'm sorry you're not on Tango. I wanted you on my Tango songs, but YOU WEREN'T HERE, SO SHUT UP." She had no problem treating Stevie like the little sister that you had to tell to be quiet.

I guess being away from the band for so long made her feel that she had to be humble and meek when she returned. She had to be grateful to them for letting her back, but FORGET that.

[HomerMcvie]

Well, I think that old age HAS caught her(as in when Lindsey called her fragile). I think she's getting shaky in her confidence and mobility. Yes, we know that she SHOULD have stopped it, but she didn't. Yet, unless she's a completely doddering old incompetent fool, I'll always hold her partially to blame.

[lovethemac1]

Originally Posted by michelej1

You know, about Christine, unless she just totally hates Lindsey's guts, what is her problem??

I mean, she's kind of bullet proof. What could Stevie have done to her if she didn't take Stevie's side? Stevie could refuse to tour, but let's be honest, Stevie wants the FM money as well. If she flounced off and refused to tour, she would only hold out another year and then she'd cave in and do another tour, even if she said she wouldn't. But refusing to tour is the only power Stevie has over Christine.

Stevie can't push Christine out of the band, because she'd look awful. What would that do to her public image, mistreating another woman who is a musician (unlike Stevie), who is responsible for some of the band's hookiest (if not deepest) tunes, who is older than Stevie and who is not widely thought to be as sexy. I mean, Christine looks great to me, but I mean the general public. Stevie would look like the "mean girl" and self-centered bully if she tried to get rid of Christine. So, Christine could basically curse Stevie out and say she would never agree to firing Lindsey. Stevie would have no recourse. Why couldn't Christine just stand up to her.

Christine used to tell people off all the time. Remember how Mick said that Stevie tried to throw a tantrum because she wasn't on Tango and Christine told her off and said the reason she wasn't on Tango was because she wasn't there? Christine made Stevie pipe down. She was like, "I'm sorry you're not on Tango. I wanted you on my Tango songs, but YOU WEREN'T HERE, SO SHUT UP." She had no problem treating Stevie like the little sister that you had to tell to be quiet.

I guess being away from the band for so long made her feel that she had to be humble and meek when she returned. She had to be grateful to them for letting her back, but FORGET that.

I think this is it, 100%. She feels "lucky" that they let her return, and I would be willing to bet that she feels like she lost her place in the pecking order when she left.

I do agree with you though........where is the woman who would have slapped Stevie silly, when Stevie started her temper tantrum to get rid of Lindsey?? It's just ridiculous that she hasn't spoken to Lindsey, that any of them, esp after the medical crisis, haven't reached out to him. It's beyond anything I could have ever expected. I thought these were decent people, well was I wrong. Lindsey seems to be the only one who has any sense and morals and kindness.

And for those who will say that he must have done something............no, he didn't, or we would have heard about it right away. The remaining band members (minus Neil and Mike-although Mike doesn't have a full pass from me yet) are horrible human beings. No matter how you look at this.

[elle]

Originally Posted by lovethemac1

And for those who will say that he must have done something............no, he didn't, or we would have heard about it right away. The remaining band members (minus Neil and Mike-although Mike doesn't have a full pass from me yet) are horrible human beings. No matter how you look at this.

we'll see what Christine says in that Mojo interview coming out next week. if she throws Lindsey under the bus than all the excuses we are trying to come up with in here are swept away. you can only be complacent so much, before you are as bad as people you are appeasing.

as for Lindsey, we know he was never perfect, and we know he has gotten way better and mellower with years.

someone described to me their kid who's been identified by the school as incredibly smart and ahead of their age but also on autistic spectrum, as high functioning. this kid is mostly doing amazing, but is a perfectionist and when frustrated with something they deeply care about but others do less than perfect loses the patience and throws disruptive tantrums. sounds familiar?

[SteveMacD]

someone described to me their kid who's been identified by the school as incredibly smart and ahead of their age but also on autistic spectrum, as high functioning. this kid is mostly doing amazing, but is a perfectionist and when frustrated with something they deeply care about but others do less than perfect loses the patience and throws disruptive tantrums. sounds familiar?

It obviously sounds like Lindsey, but also Danny Kirwan.

[button-lip]

Originally Posted by lovethemac1

I think this is it, 100%. She feels "lucky" that they let her return, and I would be willing to bet that she feels like she lost her place in the pecking order when she left.

I do agree with you though........where is the woman who would have slapped Stevie silly, when Stevie started her temper tantrum to get rid of Lindsey?? It's just ridiculous that she hasn't spoken to Lindsey, that any of them, esp after the medical crisis, haven't reached out to him. It's beyond anything I could have ever expected. I thought these were decent people, well was I wrong. Lindsey seems to be the only one who has any sense and morals and kindness.

And for those who will say that he must have done something............no, he didn't, or we would have heard about it right away. The remaining band members (minus Neil and Mike-although Mike doesn't have a full pass from me yet) are horrible human beings. No matter how you look at this.

I also think she feels she owes Mick some loyalty, but she didn't need to trash Lindsey on a magazine to show some of that. What are they gonna do? Go on and on until they finish him?

They wanted to fire him because "oh, poor Stevie! She can't work with him anymore!", fine. But once they did it, why the need to diminish his legacy and bad mouth him on every interview? Would love for some of their fans to answer me that.


He didn't do anything but being Lindsey. They're certainly not covering him up. They just got tired of him being him, that's all. Fantastic people indeed.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by michelej1

You know, about Christine, unless she just totally hates Lindsey's guts, what is her problem??

I mean, she's kind of bullet proof. What could Stevie have done to her if she didn't take Stevie's side?

Stevie could have quit, which would have ended any hope of a big tour. Let’s be honest, 2017 proved that Stevie doesn’t exactly need the band anymore. She was playing large arenas while LBCM were playing small to mid-sized amphitheaters.

At that point, Lindsey would have demanded a delay, since they wouldn’t be in a position to say no. So, Christine would have had to stop working for at least a year and hang her hopes on Lindsey being expedient with his project. Then, he’d demand the band record another album before hitting the road, which would further put them at the mercy of his expediency.

OR, she could side with Stevie, definitely get the big tour right away, maybe another album (band or otherwise), and not have to stop.

She’s almost 76. Seriously, what were her choices?

[elle]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Stevie could have quit, which would have ended any hope of a big tour. Let’s be honest, 2017 proved that Stevie doesn’t exactly need the band anymore. She was playing large arenas while LBCM were playing small to mid-sized amphitheaters.

At that point, Lindsey would have demanded a delay, since they wouldn’t be in a position to say no. So, Christine would have had to stop working for at least a year and hang her hopes on Lindsey being expedient with his project. Then, he’d demand the band record another album before hitting the road, which would further put them at the mercy of his expediency.

OR, she could side with Stevie, definitely get the big tour right away, maybe another album (band or otherwise), and not have to stop.

She’s almost 76. Seriously, what were her choices?

while you made up a whole bunch of scenarios, the only scenario we know about was that Lindsey was gonna do a short solo tour (he did 2 months!), and that Christine considered dropping in on his tour, according to Rick Turner.

the year of delays, new album, etc etc are purely your speculation and not grounded in any facts.

now, would it be better option for Christine to satisfy her creative juices and make another album at 76, or waste another 1.5 year on greatest hits same ole world tour, after already spending 2014, 2015 and 2017 touring?

and for 5000th time - Fleetwood Mac brand sells. which you yourself were saying in 2017 when you wanted BuckVie to be branded FM (and you have that same argument about your main GbV guy), but now you are conveniently forgetting all about it. so yeah maybe they would be selling out mostly amphitheaters instead of arenas without Stevie. still fine, respectable, and lucrative.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Stevie could have quit, which would have ended any hope of a big tour. Let’s be honest, 2017 proved that Stevie doesn’t exactly need the band anymore. She was playing large arenas while LBCM were playing small to mid-sized amphitheaters.

But that’s when you call her bluff. She wasn’t really going to quit yet. She likes the Hollywood of Fleetwood Mac. She’d want to do it one more time, even if she said she wouldn’t to win an argument.

Do you tour with Fleetwood Mac or open for Rod Stewart?

[button-lip]

She has now the best of both worlds: the adulation, the money, and a tour without Lindsey and with her favorite people.

She just can’t hide her happiness anymore.
Wonder what’s gonna happen once her dreamy tour ends.

[secret love]

Originally Posted by michelej1

But that’s when you call her bluff. She wasn’t really going to quit yet. She likes the Hollywood of Fleetwood Mac. She’d want to do it one more time, even if she said she wouldn’t to win an argument.

Do you tour with Fleetwood Mac or open for Rod Stewart?

Hey! Excuse me! I love Rod Stewart.

[secret love]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Stevie could have quit, which would have ended any hope of a big tour. Let’s be honest, 2017 proved that Stevie doesn’t exactly need the band anymore. She was playing large arenas while LBCM were playing small to mid-sized amphitheaters.

At that point, Lindsey would have demanded a delay, since they wouldn’t be in a position to say no. So, Christine would have had to stop working for at least a year and hang her hopes on Lindsey being expedient with his project. Then, he’d demand the band record another album before hitting the road, which would further put them at the mercy of his expediency.

OR, she could side with Stevie, definitely get the big tour right away, maybe another album (band or otherwise), and not have to stop.

She’s almost 76. Seriously, what were her choices?

Stevie Nicks is not a quitter. Bit of a backstabber sure, but one thing she does not do and would never do, is quit. She should have quit while she was ahead and allow Buckingham McVie to forge ahead as a duo, or for the BuckVie studio quartet to tour as the new Fleetwood Mac. But Stevie never quits, especially not when she is ahead.