Who are The Cholos?

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

So you're saying that Mick, a man who paraded a DILDO named Harold on stage, would care that something was derogatory?

Probably in the 80s the answer was yes, he cared. In 2014 he was asked about Harold, and he said it doesn't exist anymore. And by the expression on his face it seemed like he didn't like the question; he also hinted that being something rude, it was no longer something he enjoyed having.

Just for general culture, in Peru calling someone cholo can be derogatory as well as an expression of affection. It all depends on the way you say it.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Villavic

Probably in the 80s the answer was yes, he cared. In 2014 he was asked about Harold, and he said it doesn't exist anymore. And by the expression on his face it seemed like he didn't like the question; he also hinted that being something rude, it was no longer something he enjoyed having.

Just for general culture, in Peru calling someone cholo can be derogatory as well as an expression of affection. It all depends on the way you say it.

Once he'd become accustomed to the Stevie Nicks lifestyle, there was no going back. Keeping paychecks coming in has become his only goal for the past 48 years. So he adopted a filter.

[FuzzyPlum]

Just read the relevant pages in Billy’s book….

Paraphrasing….
Billy was at a dinner for Dick Clark. He was sat at a table with Mick. They hit it off.

‘About a week later I got a call from mick to meet him and Lindsey in Malibu. They asked me if I wanted to join a band. I said you already have one. Lindsey explained he wanted to start a band without the girls. Lindsey liked my album at the time and I joined the Cholos. Mick, Lindsey, George Hawkins, Steve Ross and me.

In 1982 our debut gig was SNL. Lindsey had a single out at the time called Trouble. We spent 2 days rehearsing that and Bwana. James Coburn was the guest presenter. I was in tremendous pain. I’d been in a leg brace and was due an operation. On the way to the stage I banged my leg on a coffee table. It hurt like hell. But Martell and cocaine got me through it.

Then, the Cholos were in the bar at Berkshire hotel and Dan ackroyd and John candy came over. They asked us to be on the letterman show with them. I don’t know why we didn’t do it.

When we got back from doing SNL we found out we couldn’t use the name Cholos. The Mexican consulate made us change it because it was the name of a Mexican gang. We changed the name to the zoo. Lindsey was in the band when we first put it together. He quit in the middle of making a record. But he was the one who actually got me in the band in the first place.

Terri Garr was the host when we did SNL for the second time with mick Fleetwood zoo on 12th November 1983’

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

Just read the relevant pages in Billy’s book….

Paraphrasing….
Billy was at a dinner for Dick Clark. He was sat at a table with Mick. They hit it off.

‘About a week later I got a call from mick to meet him and Lindsey in Malibu. They asked me if I wanted to join a band. I said you already have one. Lindsey explained he wanted to start a band without the girls. Lindsey liked my album at the time and I joined the Cholos. Mick, Lindsey, George Hawkins, Steve Ross and me.

In 1982 our debut gig was SNL. Lindsey had a single out at the time called Trouble. We spent 2 days rehearsing that and Bwana. James Coburn was the guest presenter. I was in tremendous pain. I’d been in a leg brace and was due an operation. On the way to the stage I banged my leg on a coffee table. It hurt like hell. But Martell and cocaine got me through it.

Then, the Cholos were in the bar at Berkshire hotel and Dan ackroyd and John candy came over. They asked us to be on the letterman show with them. I don’t know why we didn’t do it.

When we got back from doing SNL we found out we couldn’t use the name Cholos. The Mexican consulate made us change it because it was the name of a Mexican gang. We changed the name to the zoo. Lindsey was in the band when we first put it together. He quit in the middle of making a record. But he was the one who actually got me in the band in the first place.

Terri Garr was the host when we did SNL for the second time with mick Fleetwood zoo on 12th November 1983’

this has appeared off and on over the years from LB and it seems like a real 'thing' for him..... I mean... I get why he might not want to do something with Stevie involved, but why not Chris?? Why does she get lumped in with "the GIRLS" like she's some high-maintenance, fussbudget? WTF is it about female presence that annoys or inhibits him?? No swearing and drinking and farting? No sex jokes? Odd. Because he did have female guitarists in his solo band for a short time.... and then pure boys club after that.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

this has appeared off and on over the years from LB and it seems like a real 'thing' for him..... I mean... I get why he might not want to do something with Stevie involved, but why not Chris?? Why does she get lumped in with "the GIRLS" like she's some high-maintenance, fussbudget? WTF is it about female presence that annoys or inhibits him?? No swearing and drinking and farting? No sex jokes? Odd. Because he did have female guitarists in his solo band for a short time.... and then pure boys club after that.

A side project from FM couldn't include all of FM.

Misogyny aside(can't really be said without it), I know several musicians who don't want to play in a band with girls. There's a whole different dynamic if there's a princess(Stevie like, not Christine like) in the band.

*don't shoot the messenger*

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

WTF is it about female presence that annoys or inhibits him?? .

I wouldn't rule out jealousy over the fact that the girls had better-known songs than him. The 1988 Greatest Hits album contains 16 songs. Only 4 songs are sung by Lindsey. Actually 3.5 cause I'm including Don't Stop.

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

I get why he might not want to do something with Stevie involved, but why not Chris?? Why does she get lumped in with "the GIRLS" like she's some high-maintenance, fussbudget? WTF is it about female presence that annoys or inhibits him?? No swearing and drinking and farting? No sex jokes?

I would imagine Chris could do all those things with vigor

--Lis

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

I would imagine Chris could do all those things with vigor

--Lis

Chris could probably whip the rest on their pansy asses. I'm almost glad that I never met her(other than pushing a dozen roses into her toeses, and telling her I loved her), because it would've broken my heart if she was having a bad day, and said something mean to me.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

Just read the relevant pages in Billy’s book….

Paraphrasing….
Billy was at a dinner for Dick Clark. He was sat at a table with Mick. They hit it off.

‘About a week later I got a call from mick to meet him and Lindsey in Malibu. They asked me if I wanted to join a band. I said you already have one. Lindsey explained he wanted to start a band without the girls. Lindsey liked my album at the time and I joined the Cholos. Mick, Lindsey, George Hawkins, Steve Ross and me.

In 1982 our debut gig was SNL. Lindsey had a single out at the time called Trouble. We spent 2 days rehearsing that and Bwana. James Coburn was the guest presenter. I was in tremendous pain. I’d been in a leg brace and was due an operation. On the way to the stage I banged my leg on a coffee table. It hurt like hell. But Martell and cocaine got me through it.

Then, the Cholos were in the bar at Berkshire hotel and Dan ackroyd and John candy came over. They asked us to be on the letterman show with them. I don’t know why we didn’t do it.

When we got back from doing SNL we found out we couldn’t use the name Cholos. The Mexican consulate made us change it because it was the name of a Mexican gang. We changed the name to the zoo. Lindsey was in the band when we first put it together. He quit in the middle of making a record. But he was the one who actually got me in the band in the first place.

Terri Garr was the host when we did SNL for the second time with mick Fleetwood zoo on 12th November 1983’

Interesting. Stevie did SNL one month later.

This would have made a great trivia question about the Cholos. Sounds to me they changed the name not because it was offensive but for fear of their lives LOL
Living in LA, the Mexican Mafia gangs were pretty violent. The gang could have had a real issue with using their name. When the book says the consulate "made" them change the name. He would have no power to do that. But his advice was probably pretty scary like "you guys are crazy to keep this name."