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[dino]

There's an interview where Peter states that the legendary Texan guitarist Johnny Winter recorded guitar parts for "Green Manalishi", but they weren't used. This was probably in the states, as they completed the song there? I find this interesting.

[doodyhead]

Originally Posted by dino

There's an interview where Peter states that the legendary Texan guitarist Johnny Winter recorded guitar parts for "Green Manalishi", but they weren't used. This was probably in the states, as they completed the song there? I find this interesting.

My memory was that Jeremy Spencer saying that Peter was howling the recorded ending in a parking garage in Los Angeles i think.

I remember somethng about Peter not being able to wrap himselfg around the innitial guitar solo and that is why Johnny Winter was asked. I guess they did not like that either. I would have loved to hear that.
If you listen to the progression of available recordings of GM you get the feeling peter had to really work at it before he went to the extra string bass and Wa WA
I once tried to put together a green Manalishi album. very tedious in the end

doodyhead

an aside:

Snoot: did you e mail oe speak to Dinky Dawson?

[snoot]

Originally Posted by dino

There's an interview where Peter states that the legendary Texan guitarist Johnny Winter recorded guitar parts for "Green Manalishi", but they weren't used. This was probably in the states, as they completed the song there? I find this interesting.

Never heard of the Winter connection before ~ interesting is right. I'm not sure Manalishi was recorded anywhere but at De Lane Lea Studios, unless this came in the form of mixing and overdubs later on (after perhaps being shuttled off via express courier). Johnny Winter may have also found his way into the Kingsway, London studio during one of his concert tours of England. I know there exists a 1970 recording of him and his band performing from the Royal Albert Hall, which came out a few years ago as part of a Sony reissue package, so who knows.

Also per the sharkman and his ace Hjort bible:

14-20 April / 28-30 April 1970: Snoot, you're correct about "The Green Manalishi" being recording at this time. Hjort writes that it was recorded on the 14th (28 takes!). "World In Harmony" was recorded on the 16th-17th (a take from the 16th was used for the master), and on the 17th Kirwan also recorded two new instrumentals. More work was done on these two instrumental tracks on the 20th - one of these was later released on The Vaudeville Years as "Farewell" (the predecessor to "Earl Grey" from Kiln House), while it seems the second one has never been released. Hjort does not mention any De Lane Lea recordings later in April.

Now if you were to look at various tour schedules for 1970, including Dinky's, none seem to reference Green or Mac as being anywhere near the states in April 1970. The song had already charted by June in the UK, which doesn't allow for much doodling around, so all this makes me wonder. But I will say, I HAVE seen references to The Green Manalishi being recorded in LA before too, like at Planetoftheamps!

Originally Posted by doodyhead

My memory was that Jeremy Spencer saying that Peter was howling the recorded ending in a parking garage in Los Angeles i think.

Well I've seen it stated that to attain the massive wall of sound they were looking for, cabs were place in the underground car park beneath the studio at De Lane Lea. Close and distant miking was used on the speakers to get that very original guitar sound. So why does the ghost of LA keep arising?

I once tried to put together a green Manalishi album. very tedious in the end

Please tell us more ! The devil will be in the details I'm sure.

an aside:
Snoot: did you e mail oe speak to Dinky Dawson?

E mail. Dinky rests his hat in Boston these days, having long ago deserted the smog of LA. He's not all that far from you now V. If you need to get ahold of him, PM me - or drop me a line @ my addy.

[slipkid]

Originally Posted by snoot

E mail. Dinky rests his hat in Boston these days, having long ago deserted the smog of LA. He's not all that far from you now V. If you need to get ahold of him, PM me - or drop me a line @ my addy.

Those excerpts from his book in Crawdaddy are a riot. A race between gear mobiles?? That's something Top Gear (BBC) would do today, a show I highly recommend. The scary plane ride to Antwerp seems to be the inspiration for a scene from "Almost Famous".

[snoot]

Originally Posted by slipkid

Those excerpts from his book in Crawdaddy are a riot. A race between gear mobiles?? That's something Top Gear (BBC) would do today, a show I highly recommend. The scary plane ride to Antwerp seems to be the inspiration for a scene from "Almost Famous".

The club scenes where so many top rank musicians converged there in London were out of this world back then, starting with the Marquee Club, and spreading out from there. You never knew just who you might run into, or what mayhem was in the works!

[slipkid]

Originally Posted by snoot

The club scenes where so many top rank musicians converged there in London were out of this world back then, starting with the Marquee Club, and spreading out from there. You never knew just who you might run into, or what mayhem was in the works!

I had already read the Keith Moon "Magic Bus" story, but I was missing the other two parts. The London club scene in the late 60's was equivalent to the jazz clubs in Harlem during the be-bop era of the late 40's. I really think what took 50 years for jazz to come full circle, rock music did it in just over 20 years.

[dino]

Originally Posted by snoot

Never heard of the Winter connection before ~ interesting is right. I'm not sure Manalishi was recorded anywhere but at De Lane Lea Studios, unless this came in the form of mixing and overdubs later on (after perhaps being shuttled off via express courier). Johnny Winter may have also found his way into the Kingsway, London studio during one of his concert tours of England. I know there exists a 1970 recording of him and his band performing from the Royal Albert Hall, which came out a few years ago as part of a Sony reissue package, so who knows.

I think we have it backwards regarding the recording date.
http://forum.metroamp.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=10844
The track was apparently started in LA in January 1970, on the American tour,
then completed in London. Of course Winter could have played in either place, as he was in London in April 1970.

[snoot]

Originally Posted by dino

I think we have it backwards regarding the recording date.
http://forum.metroamp.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=10844
The track was apparently started in LA in January 1970, on the American tour,
then completed in London. Of course Winter could have played in either place, as he was in London in April 1970.

Top notch find Dino. No wonder we all had our wires running in different directions on Manalishi. I have seen LA cited as the recording locale a number of times over the years, and always wondered the how and why behind it. This is one example of where the mixing and dubs may have rivalled the primaries, as it seems there was as much creative thought going into them as were the ones that nabbed the tracks to begin with. Made for a fine and fitting send off to Peter Green, if nothing else.