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Tango 05-18-2005 10:00 AM

Just noticed this
 
Maybe you've already seen this.

http://www.wmgk.com/personalities/jim_kinney.shtml

It's about Peter Green. I was looking about the site for the Don Henley interview and came across it.

chiliD 05-18-2005 12:21 PM

The link doesn't work.

Mari 05-18-2005 12:35 PM

http://www.wmgk.com/personalities/jim_kinney.shtml

this one should

bretonbanquet 05-18-2005 02:45 PM

Thanks for posting! :thumbsup:

Tango 05-18-2005 06:35 PM

Thank you Mari. Of course it's "Lindsey," but it was good to see Peter get coverage anyhow! :laugh:

Tom 05-19-2005 11:57 AM

What great news. The timing would seem right for such a thing. Peter has proven that he's not against strapping on a guitar and playing some, and he's not tied to the Slinter Group anymore. They guys are all alive and fairly well (Danny?). And as I've said before, I think that if anyone can make something like this happen it would be Mick Fleetwood. And after reading his book I think he'd do it for the legacy of F. Mac, and just the sheer fun of playing with that great line-up that started it all. And it seems to me that as long as those were the basic reasons for a reunion, Peter might be receptive.
Maybe they can come full circle and do a reunion where any profits go to a charitable cause. Wouldn't it be funny if Mick called Pete up and said to him, after 30+ years, "allright we'll do it your way and give the profits away".
Man, I hope this reunion happens.

SteveMacD 05-19-2005 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom
Maybe they can come full circle and do a reunion where any profits go to a charitable cause. Wouldn't it be funny if Mick called Pete up and said to him, after 30+ years, "allright we'll do it your way and give the profits away".

Mick would give away his children before he'd give away his money. :laugh:

dino 05-20-2005 05:39 AM

I have to agree... :wavey:
I'd say the best thing if there must be a reunion is they play in private or maybe make a record. No greatest hits tour!

mzero 05-20-2005 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dino
I have to agree... :wavey:
I'd say the best thing if there must be a reunion is they play in private or maybe make a record. No greatest hits tour!

dino! i hear you. i still don't think this is a good idea and that it won't happen due to peter's and jeremy's reluctance. they both have good reasons to not be involved.

but as you say, assuming that mf's motives for bringing this up every few years selfless and not related to $$, the only way it would be worthwhile for all involved is get together and play. the blues, freeform, who cares? make a record if it works. move on if it doesn't.

greatest hits tour- i think you got that right too. pete wouldn't play lead on any of his hits except rattlesnake shake when he did them with the splinter group, so how would they do those on tour? jeremy wouldn't even play rhythm guitar on pete's songs the first time round.

but i would love to see the return of vince earl and the valents. with gold lame, expanded waistlines, and with wigs to hide all their bald heads, the mid 70's elvis and aging rocker parody potential is huge.

best to all, zero

BklynBlue 05-20-2005 10:02 AM

Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac getting back together sounds great on paper, and although I highly doubt it will happen, I for one would love to see it.
A tour? Never happen. IMHO. You won't even see a set of dates at one location, such as the Cream reunion at Royal Albert Hall.
Too much pressure. Expectations couldn't be met.
It needs to be a low key affair. Best bet, an unannounced Festival Appearance or a few pub dates. Bring it back to the beginning. Put them in a small pub and just let them play. No need to "put on a show". Flub an intro? Forget a line? Laugh it off or actually just stop everything and start again.
Just a group of musicians with a shared history playing because they enjoy making music together. (Gee, what a concept :eek: )
You say Mick wouldn't go for it, 'cause they wouldn't make any money? Tape the show for release on DVD. Just like the Cream reunion.
As far as going into the studio, what would they record? Old Mac songs? You would lose the spontaneity of the live setting, even if they cut the tracks live without overdubbing, you would lose the excitement of audience, unexpectedly seeing what no one thought they would ever see or hear again.
More importantly, if they made a new CD, they would have to promote it.

While I don't believe Danny is in any shape to join them, it would be great to see some real collaboration between Peter and Jeremy. Maybe Jeremy would be more willing to play on Peter's songs now. Jeremy playing second guitar or even better, piano on some of the old Mac songs would change them completely.
If Jeremy was still reluctant, it would be great to see if they could talk Christine into sitting in on few numbers.

I'm curious as to what people would like to hear them do if it ever did happen.

Tom 05-20-2005 10:04 AM

I agree that it wouldn't happen if it were a big, involved event. Maybe a one-shot thing like the blues festival that Clapton had not long ago. Or - if they wanted to extend it just a bit more, do what Cream is doing right now.
I don't think it would be a big money making event anyway. Most people I know (here in the USA) think that Fleetwood Mac started in the mid-70's. I really enjoy telling them about PG's FM by the way. And the fact that "Black Magic Woman" was not a Santana original really trips them up.
The thing with Mick Fleetwood that I posted was from reading his book. I came away with a feeling that he cares a great deal about the legacy of FM.
I don't know what his financial situation is today, but I think he'd put together a Mac reunion for sentimental reasons more than for any profit involved. He certainlly gives much praise and credit to Peter for the very existance of FM. Hell, he dedicated the book to him. I would just love to see how Peter would respond being surrounded by his old mates, playing the blues. I can't imagine him not enjoying it.
And the involvment of "Harold" could be optional. :laugh:

mzero 05-20-2005 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom
And the involvment of "Harold" could be optional. :laugh:

if jeremy is involved in a reunion, given his association with family/cog and the numerous documented abuse allegations, i'd be really surprised if "harold" is ever seen again.

zero

Tom 05-20-2005 12:44 PM

I wouldn't seriously expect Harold to make the gig. I believe that Mick actually has Harold packed away somewhere. I'm sure Mick would leave Harold home and just bring his famous "balls".

sharksfan2000 05-20-2005 04:16 PM

I think the scenario that BklynBlue described would be the only way a reunion would happen. It would have to be something that would be low-pressure, low-expectations. Doing an unannounced date or dates would be ideal for that. No grand reunion plans.

I do think that if the four of them actually got together to play just for the fun of it and nothing more, they might make some surprisingly good music, and that would be great to hear. For that matter, even if the music wasn't first-rate, it would be a joy to see & hear them having fun playing together again. But could they do that without the inevitable pressure of turning it all into something bigger getting in the way of the fun?

bretonbanquet 05-20-2005 04:52 PM

I'm not sure this will happen. Jeremy doesn't seem convinced that it's a good idea, and who knows who's pulling Peter's strings these days - for sure he hasn't pulled his own strings in years. If this idea did actually come to fruition, you might expect Jeremy to play more lead, in the way that Watson did in PGSG. I would love love love to see it, but I'd be really amazed. As for Danny, I think we all know it won't happen with him - I'd be astonished if he even turned up to watch :distress:

dino 05-21-2005 07:12 AM

Green's had a strange life since the late 70's. Everytime he's made music it seems he has been used by people. In the 80's it was Jeff Whittaker, in the late 90's it now appears that Nigel Watson pulled a similar thing, although Peter obviously enjoyed the Splinter group gigs for the first years at least.

Let's hope the same thing doesn't happen now. Greedy he may be, but Mick Fleetwood at least has his fair share of money and cares a great deal for Peter.

mzero 05-22-2005 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dino
Green's had a strange life since the late 70's. Everytime he's made music it seems he has been used by people. In the 80's it was Jeff Whittaker, in the late 90's it now appears that Nigel Watson pulled a similar thing, although Peter obviously enjoyed the Splinter group gigs for the first years at least.

Let's hope the same thing doesn't happen now. Greedy he may be, but Mick Fleetwood at least has his fair share of money and cares a great deal for Peter.

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Originally Posted by bretonbanquet
..... and who knows who's pulling Peter's strings these days - for sure he hasn't pulled his own strings in years.

dino/bb - this is a good thread. it does seem that there is a fine line between helping and exploiting. i think that mich reynolds and nigel had pete's best interests in mind to start with and that at least in part pete did want to resume his career, recalling that it was pete that originally sought out mich rather than the other way round (if i have the story right). i'd wager than when pete formed the splinter group he wanted nigel in the band. and nigel and mich did help pete become a working musician again. i think we are all grateful for that.

but 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions'.

i don't distinguish between mick, mich or nigel, they all have as much to gain from 'helping' peter when help means becoming bandmember, manager, and band member, respectively. if mick wants to help pete, give him studio time and access to the musicians he wants to work with (if pete wants to continue playing). or help pete with legal troubles related to dissolving the splinter group.

hopefully, mick is doing those things. but is reforming the original fleetwood mac pete's wish, or mick's? is it in pete's best interest? it would be fantastic if it happened....

best, zero

sharksfan2000 05-22-2005 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mzero
but is reforming the original fleetwood mac pete's wish, or mick's? is it in pete's best interest? it would be fantastic if it happened....

I can't imagine that reforming the original band is any of the band members' wish other than Mick's. Would a reunion be in Peter's best interest....I suppose there's a possibility but I think it's doubtful. I don't see how he would have much of anything to gain by doing it. Of course I'd love to see them enjoying themselves playing together again, but I have a really hard time seeing how that would happen at this point.

I have the feeling that many (most?) musical reunions are driven either by the lure of a big payday or by the egos of those involved (wanting to prove they can still do it) - or a combination of those two factors. I don't see either of those factors being likely to draw either Peter or Jeremy back - if anything, the thought of being seen by others as reforming for those reasons would probably push them away from doing it.

Wouter Vuijk 05-22-2005 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sharksfan2000
I can't imagine that reforming the original band is any of the band members' wish other than Mick's.

As far as I see it, it's not specifically Micks or Peters wish. It's the wish of the fans that is driving any member of that specific period (especially Mick and Jeremy) to think "would it be nice if we had a reunion?" I don't get the idea that John worries about this matter, let alone Danny.... Jeremy has clearly stated that it wouldn't add to anything they had already done. It was because Peter had re-entered the music scene that the old fans started the whole idea, putting pressure on Mick being the "organizer/manager" of Fleetwood Mac throughout their history.

Yet, I would certainly like it to happen, being recorded on DVD for fans all over the world. Not for the musical performance (Peter isn't the same musician he was during his FM days), but for the sake of Old friends getting together again (including Danny!!!!).

SteveMacD 05-22-2005 09:04 PM

I don't think it would be of benefit to any particular member, professionally speaking. More than money, I think Mick wants to do the reunion to show the world that there was a great band called Fleetwood Mac before "Rumours," and that the two men who originally fronted the band are still forces to be reckoned with. Also, I think he wants to show the world that these two men have gone through so much in their lives, but have managed to come out alive and relatively well. John would do a reunion for the hell of it. Peter and Jeremy should do it if for no other reason than to not have to answer the question of "will you do a Mac reunion" anymore. Just do it, get it out of the way, and then do whatever else it is you'd like to do. As for Danny, I think it's safe to say that any talk of a reunion, at this point, does not include him, as he's in no shape to make music with others.

Wouter Vuijk 05-23-2005 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD
As for Danny, I think it's safe to say that any talk of a reunion, at this point, does not include him, as he's in no shape to make music with others.

He wouldn't have to make music, just show his face to the fans, collect the money and run off to the local liquor store?

dino 05-24-2005 04:49 AM

But he doesn't drink anymore... :nod:

It's a shame that many American F.Mac fans only know about the Lindsey/Stevie incarnation. That was a great band too, but it obscures the original band.

Kyoshi 06-24-2005 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mzero
dino/bb - this is a good thread. it does seem that there is a fine line between helping and exploiting. i think that mich reynolds and nigel had pete's best interests in mind to start with and that at least in part pete did want to resume his career, recalling that it was pete that originally sought out mich rather than the other way round (if i have the story right). i'd wager than when pete formed the splinter group he wanted nigel in the band. and nigel and mich did help pete become a working musician again. i think we are all grateful for that.

but 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions'.

i don't distinguish between mick, mich or nigel, they all have as much to gain from 'helping' peter when help means becoming bandmember, manager, and band member, respectively. if mick wants to help pete, give him studio time and access to the musicians he wants to work with (if pete wants to continue playing). or help pete with legal troubles related to dissolving the splinter group.

hopefully, mick is doing those things. but is reforming the original fleetwood mac pete's wish, or mick's? is it in pete's best interest? it would be fantastic if it happened....

best, zero

It IS a good thread. Zero is right about not distinguishing between who and who is not helping Greeny. Everyones had a bite at the cherry. I dont think anyone can help Pete with the legal problems cos hes strapped in to the PGO and they have total control. But there are a lot of good people out there who only want Greeny's wellbeing at heart. Ultimately, he has the choice to play with whom he wants; perhaps even the Firehouse Five again ! Who knows ? One thing I always fall back on - whatever makes Greeny happy is good enough for me.

ThePenguin 06-24-2005 01:34 PM

That's a neat little article and a cool idea if it ever did happen. I love that photo of them at the RRHOF but it's so darn small. Anyone have a bigger/clearer version of that photo???

-Lis

diamond sky 06-27-2005 02:27 PM

I think we'll see the Beatles reunion happen first...
Peter is a different guitarist to the one he was then, much less a showy player, in my mind more like JJ Cale's understated style of guitar playing. Some people would expect the old Peter. I remember a review of a Jerry Lee Lewis gig in the NME music paper years ago. He'd just had a stomach operation, and the reviewer concluded that it was a wise move he hadn't tried to stand on his piano as there'd be nothing sadder than seeing a rock legend do that and have his guts fall out all over the place!
In spite of what people might want, sometimes you've just got to not do something...

Wouter Vuijk 06-27-2005 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by diamond sky
I think we'll see the Beatles reunion happen first...
Peter is a different guitarist to the one he was then, much less a showy player, in my mind more like JJ Cale's understated style of guitar playing. Some people would expect the old Peter. I remember a review of a Jerry Lee Lewis gig in the NME music paper years ago. He'd just had a stomach operation, and the reviewer concluded that it was a wise move he hadn't tried to stand on his piano as there'd be nothing sadder than seeing a rock legend do that and have his guts fall out all over the place!
In spite of what people might want, sometimes you've just got to not do something...

Right you are, but stil............?

chiliD 06-27-2005 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dino
But he doesn't drink anymore... :nod:

And, doesn't drink any less, either!

{rim shot}


(sorry, couldn't resist that set-up for the punchline)


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