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Say You Will Christine McVie.....
I wish Lindsey would have allowed Chris to record with them on this album. I get that if there was a “hit single “ from one of her songs they couldn’t do it on tour....so what. This album would have been epic on so many levels. Having Christine’s harmony on the Buckingham/Nicks songs and having Lindsey do his magic on Christine’s ITM tracks.😎
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I don't think ANYONE would disagree with you on this one. SYW would have been so much better with Christine. No brainer there. Although I am a selfish Christine fan and love In The Meantime so much that I would not want to change the destiny of that album.
I completely understand why Lindsey gave Christine a choice. You cant come and go from the band. You cant have one foot in and one foot out of the band. Being in the band requires touring so you must be there for that. Its completely realistic for a band to do. Otherwise the road act is not the real deal and missing parts. How I wish FM held Stevie's feet to the fire like they did with Christine. The situation is in reverse. Stevie did not want to record with the band but wants to tour with the band.
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Exactly the greatest Fleetwood Mac album that couldn’t be called a Fleetwood Mac album.😎 Buckingham/McVie. |
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I agree, before she fired LB I am pretty certain she would have been more than happy to never tour with FM again, she's too wrapped up in her solo work these days and is far happier doing that.
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Christine was allowed to record on TIME (in fact begged to do) because Lindsey and Stevie were gone and Mick needed as much help as he could get. Christine could easily be firm about her terms regarding this. However, with the return of LB/SN on THE DANCE, and the ensuing SYW album, Fleetwood Mac could function as viable touring and studio entity without her. Stevie had said the main fear about Christine recording with them (and it was fear) was that one of her songs would become a radio hit that could not be supported by her absence on a tour. This seems plausible. Would SYW have been better with Christine? No question, it would have been more classic FM. Imagine six songs from ITM alongside six from LB/SN respectively. But the sprawling, almost fractured nature of SYW is one of its assets in my book--one of the most meaty, substantial FM recordings ever. And Christine's ITM is-with the exception of OUT OF THE CRADLE--my favorite FM solo project to date. Do I wish CM was on SYW? Yes. Am I happy with what we have? Yes. |
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I'm not so sure that Christine was ambivalent about contributing songs to SYW--I saw an interview for In the Meantime where I thought she came across as somewhat sad that she had been prohibited from contributing, and after all she had contributed songs to EVERY FM album since forever.
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Ideally though, for me, we could have had about three albums from them in the 2000s, with the tracks from SYW and ITM spread across them. Instead we just have the one, lumpy bumper album. The problem is that every time FM puts out an album it has to be a big song and dance with all the hypey promotion and long touring. If their releases could have been more low key maybe we would have got more albums, each with its own vibe and story. No wonder Lindsey preferred that they make one double album a decade instead of two or three albums with 11 tracks.
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From Mick's book it would seem Christine was keen to contribute to Say You Will. I think it would not have been impossible to persuade her to tour, but I don't think anyone wanted to have to persuade her. Much as she disparaged In the Meantime when she rejoined the band (only to quickly backpedal to avoid offending her nephew and producer), it is a fabulous album and it really shines for me as a jewel in the Fleetwood Mac/solo canon.
Undoubtedly Christine writing songs for Say You Will would have improved its calibre. But the result we got without her is my second favourite Fleetwood Mac album from the Rumours era. |
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What's so sad is that SYW is the band's last real studio effort (I don't count the EP). They turned into the very heritage act Lindsey was trying to avoid. |
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I think everyone was even afraid to ask Christine anything. They entire band begged her to extend the Dance tour and go to Europe but she did not budge. She got tired of people asking even told Mick to never ask her again. And he kept his word. The song Say You Will is all about pleading with Christine to agree to extend the Dance tour.
So its uncertain how much energy she really would have devoted to Say You Will. She would have had to travel to the USA, etc. Its wishful thinking.
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Because it's every BIT as much a FM album as SYW. SYW was missing Christine. BuckVie was missing Old Goat Breath. WHAT'S the difference?????
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I wish the old Christine McVie website from that era was still extant. There were some good discussions on the message board on that site.
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And as much as the record works VERY well as it is, I would have loved four more songs on it from Stevie--and the can opened on LB's five songs to include Christine's vocals as well. |
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